Guest Compare man Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 I have seen a lot of talk on this board about both Soaring Capital and BC Fusion. They each claim to be the premiere soccer club in the area. Lets Compare: Coaches BC All have minimum of a NSCAA National license S C All have a minimum of a USSF D with several having Advanced National Web site BC HORRIBLE SITE S C Awesome site with a great deal of information Facilities BC Incredible natural grass fields and use of the Dome SC Not ver good facilities indoors or outdoors Quality teams BC Girls 2 time State Cup U 15 team SoSo U16 and U18 team No U13 ro U14 team Boys Good U18 team All others are ok SC Girls Average at best on the girls side. OK for Broome County league Boys Again just average no state cup contenders Cost BC $60 registration, $100 fundraising (Nick Panella) Fee and $55 a month for training SC Fall $50 Spring $125 Now lets hear your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest soccer_fan Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 To be honest there should be no real competition for the areas premier club, if either truly had the best interest of all parties in mind they would have combined forces long ago to compete with the true elite clubs in NYS. We don't have the overall population base to have a top level team at each age group, and there are numerous local players who've often gone to Syracuse to train with better teams, further hurting the chances of having teams in this area at the top level. Cost wise, Fusion is truly doing a dis-service to people. They have quality coaches, but honestly if you look at the charges of $55 a month for 200 kids in the program, thats $10,000 a month and there has been nothing close to that earned. Take that same money and you could give how many kids money to the SUNY schools (which is where most all the scholarships the BC Fusion players have earned) would it have covered. The dollars paid to results just is not there and will never be. As for calling the BC United complex "top" level fields, they are getting better, but they still aren't much better than the Otsinengo North Fields, the Ross Corners Fields, or the Hickories Fields and those other ones aren't costing an arm and a leg for upkeep solely on the backs of a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 soaring capital sucks especially that u17 boys team that was housed by rfc in state cup, erie, and empire cup. mediocre team that won u16 upstate travel playing all u15 teams then when they played true u16 premier teams they got housed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ryan Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 any fusion boys team would kill soaring capital just tons of better talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 soaring capital sucks especially that u17 boys team that was housed by rfc in state cup, erie, and empire cup. mediocre team that won u16 upstate travel playing all u15 teams then when they played true u16 premier teams they got housed How supportive our doc's are now i know who left another post. sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Compare Man Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Fields The BC United Complex is the ONLY place in this area that has multiple fields that are well maintained. The public fields are OK but you are at the mecy of town workers for grass cutting and field lining. It is a HUGE burden on the club but they are in control of their own destiny. Cost You want to talk about costs..... To play regular plain jane travel for Vestal the cost for trainers is $75 a month. You kids with accents and no clear credentials. That is akin to rape in my mind. You had a great point about a shallow tallent pool and too many clubs. Until Soaring Capital, Fusion, and vestal combines the Southern tier will NEVER consistantly compete at the state level. There will allways be the one or two exceptions (U15 girls Fusion) but that is what they will be, exceptions and nothing more. Guys get your egos out of the way and your heads out of your A**es and see what needs to be done. None of the NYSW teams can compete regionally and until we make changes we can't compete in this state. Shame on the heads of these clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 To play regular plain jane travel for Vestal the cost for trainers is $75 a month. Wow...are you serious? People pay $75 a month for Vestal Extreme training!! What are they paying for? Most of those coaches aren't even licensed, and if they are, it's at a LOW level!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I have seen a lot of talk on this board about both Soaring Capital and BC Fusion. They each claim to be the premiere soccer club in the area. Lets Compare: Coaches BC All have minimum of a NSCAA National license S C All have a minimum of a USSF D with several having Advanced National Web site BC HORRIBLE SITE S C Awesome site with a great deal of information Facilities BC Incredible natural grass fields and use of the Dome SC Not ver good facilities indoors or outdoors Quality teams BC Girls 2 time State Cup U 15 team SoSo U16 and U18 team No U13 ro U14 team Boys Good U18 team All others are ok SC Girls Average at best on the girls side. OK for Broome County league Boys Again just average no state cup contenders Cost BC $60 registration, $100 fundraising (Nick Panella) Fee and $55 a month for training SC Fall $50 Spring $125 Now lets hear your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Just for the record, NYSWYSA does not recognize Fusion or any other "premiere" club in the state as being truly "premiere" words right our of Glen Buckley's mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Just for the record, NYSWYSA does not recognize Fusion or any other "premiere" club in the state as being truly "premiere" words right our of Glen Buckley's mouth. And Glen Buckley would know this because................? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 And Glen Buckley would know this because................? do you not know who Glen Buckley is?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 do you not know who Glen Buckley is?? enlighten me further, I know he is Director of NYS West - why does he feel there are no premiere programs in NY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Peeshaw Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 enlighten me further, I know he is Director of NYS West - why does he feel there are no premiere programs in NY? Some one on two different threads has decided to make Glen the topic of negativity. Glen never said that. Its just someone being a troll and starting stuff that isnt true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Some one on two different threads has decided to make Glen the topic of negativity. Glen never said that. Its just someone being a troll and starting stuff that isnt true. I did not post the original Glen Buckley thread so I don' t know if he said that or not. If he did not say that as you say does he think there are true premiere teams in New York? I have nothing against him and I wouldn't suspect he would say that being the Director of coaching, it wouldn't make much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Peeshaw Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I did not post the original Glen Buckley thread so I don' t know if he said that or not. If he did not say that as you say does he think there are true premiere teams in New York? I have nothing against him and I wouldn't suspect he would say that being the Director of coaching, it wouldn't make much sense. I cannot imagine Glen ever saying anything hurtful like that against the players coaches clubs or teams that compete for NYSWYSA at a premier level. Next time I see him I will ask him though. I WILL ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I cannot imagine Glen ever saying anything hurtful like that against the players coaches clubs or teams that compete for NYSWYSA at a premier level. Next time I see him I will ask him though. I WILL ask him. you should ask, because he DID say it. in fact he said it to about 20 people in a group. I have nothing against Glen, my point was, while fusion may have D1 coaching, they are NOT the best of the best. there are many many talented players, both boys and girls that see no need to play fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Peeshaw Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 you should ask, because he DID say it. in fact he said it to about 20 people in a group. I have nothing against Glen, my point was, while fusion may have D1 coaching, they are NOT the best of the best. there are many many talented players, both boys and girls that see no need to play fusion. That last part I will agree with. Premier is the same as ODP. It is only the best of the best kids that can afford to play or who are willing to make the time and travel commitment. One of the best players on one of the Fusion teams is a girl who SHOULD and COULD and WAS in ODP, but isnt any more, and it has nothing to do with her lack of ability. So you are correct that Premier and ODP are not completely accurate snapshots of who is the best of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 if there are good players that dont play fusion names some ....... because for the boys they have the top players in the area, girls idk about though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer watcher Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 if there are good players that dont play fusion names some ....... because for the boys they have the top players in the area, girls idk about though jc has at least four players that are good enough to play for fusion (3 actually did play for them) shayne blaha,brady mizera,jon yurecka and kyle ellis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 jc has at least four players that are good enough to play for fusion (3 actually did play for them) shayne blaha,brady mizera,jon yurecka and kyle ellis) These players are good enough to play on a secondary team for Fusion ("B" team) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 if there are good players that dont play fusion names some ....... because for the boys they have the top players in the area, girls idk about though There are several boys and girls that are fusion "quality" but do not wish to play for a variety of reasons. many have gone to fusion, and opted to leave. some simply were not interested in the fusion experience. While I am sure many are thinking yeah right, names have not been named, but I personally do not feel that children's names should be splayed over the internet for any reason. If you all were as connected with the soccer community as you would have readers believe, you would already know who's who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Soccer_fan Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 There are several boys and girls that are fusion "quality" but do not wish to play for a variety of reasons. many have gone to fusion, and opted to leave. some simply were not interested in the fusion experience. While I am sure many are thinking yeah right, names have not been named, but I personally do not feel that children's names should be splayed over the internet for any reason. If you all were as connected with the soccer community as you would have readers believe, you would already know who's who. I totally agree with your statement about players who are good enough to be on Fusion squads, but chose not to for whatever reason. I know players who have played and left for various reasons, and others who could have but play elsewhere. The simplest thing for me to add is the fact that the u14 girls don't have a team now but used to so anyone who says that players don't leave the club can't actually argue. I don't care why they left but it does hapen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 It's not always about talent. Not everyone can afford Fusion. The costs go further than training (which itself adds up quickly). Remember the travel costs- hotel rooms, travel itself, tournament fees, etc. There is the old saw about scholarship money for many "elite" sports groups. That however only covers the really destitute players. Kids from middle class, struggling families simply cannot afford to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 no i think you should name some names cause by you saying u shouldnt name names means that u dont no any1. as for the boys only shane could play fusion but he wouldnt cause he would play on the u17 team and those players are way better than him and the other kids arent very good ... and for girls the only girls i no of that have left fusion for better teams are maddie tiddick and dani delnero, kylie strom also but thats only becuase there fusion team sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer watcher Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 These players are good enough to play on a secondary team for Fusion ("B" team) your opinion these players have started where ever they have played ,that includes fusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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