tom Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Yeppers Tom....all of this mess is all Obama's fault. Gotcha. Obama is president sable. You said earlier you think the stimulus sucks. Do you seriously think a real stimulus bill would have had the same effect on the market as this pork bill? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Ok can one of the Obama stimulus defenders explain this to me? This is a quote from Michelle Obama about Bush's tax rebate. Michelle Obama: “You’re getting $600. What can you do with that? I mean, not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill. But it doesn’t pay down every bill every month. Barack’s approach is that the short-term quick fix kind of stuff sounds good and it may even feel good for that first month when you get that check and then you go out, you buy a pair of earrings.” So the first lady in June of 2008 making fun of a $600 rebate check, and is now praising her husband, whose rebate plan gets you $13 a week for a few months then drops to $8 a week? Read back a bit, CG. I'm not defending the stimulus package at all. What I'm taking exception to is that this whole mess is all Obama's fault. Both parties have screwed this up for years. Tom, however, can't resist getting all high and mighty about what the DOW did in a day or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Sven, just admit that Obama's plan sucks, if I am correct at least Sable admitted that he isnt thrilled with it either. I still love ya too Sven, I just want you to admit to the truth for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Ok can one of the Obama stimulus defenders explain this to me? This is a quote from Michelle Obama about Bush's tax rebate. Michelle Obama: "You're getting $600. What can you do with that? I mean, not to be ungrateful or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill. But it doesn't pay down every bill every month. Barack's approach is that the short-term quick fix kind of stuff sounds good and it may even feel good for that first month when you get that check and then you go out, you buy a pair of earrings." So the first lady in June of 2008 making fun of a $600 rebate check, and is now praising her husband, whose rebate plan gets you $13 a week for a few months then drops to $8 a week? You belief that GWB was a great President makes all your arguments null and void, CG. Your beliefs are based strictly on partisan, and not facts. But I still love ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Obama is president sable. You said earlier you think the stimulus sucks. Do you seriously think a real stimulus bill would have had the same effect on the market as this pork bill? I don't think so. Hmmmmm.....when Bush was President the buck never stopped there in your mind.....now, all of a sudden, it does. If you think that the stimulus bill alone drives the DOW, you're a bit naive about how our current global market works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Sven, just admit that Obama's plan sucks, if I am correct at least Sable admitted that he isnt thrilled with it either. I still love ya too Sven, I just want you to admit to the truth for once. The stimulus package sucks. The last screw up in a train of screw ups does not however absolve all of the other screw ups of the past 16 years or so. Tom can't seem to be honest and admit that both sides are at fault. Childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Sven, just admit that Obama's plan sucks, if I am correct at least Sable admitted that he isnt thrilled with it either. I still love ya too Sven, I just want you to admit to the truth for once. I will not base the worldwide recession on Obama's plan. And as far as it sucking, I do not know what the future holds in regards to the outcome of this plan. If it does suck - 1-2 years down the road, I will admit it. But him signing it today and blaming the Dow going down on that and not the global recession is a bit naive, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Read back a bit, CG. I'm not defending the stimulus package at all. What I'm taking exception to is that this whole mess is all Obama's fault. Both parties have screwed this up for years. Tom, however, can't resist getting all high and mighty about what the DOW did in a day or so. I know Sable, that was not directed at you, just in general. Who I would really love to hear give me an answer to that is Rocco but for some reason he is managing to consistently avoid these topics......because there is no possible way to defend it in his favor. However, Tom is actually correct about the Dow dropping severely since Obama first mentioned his "plan" until today when he siged it, it dropped thousands of points, it is obvious that the market is not at all happy with this "bill" and does not see it as a "stimulus". I am not blaming it completely on Obama, I am blaming it mostly on Pelosi and Reid and whoever else had anything to do with adding the BS to the bill. What I blame Obama for is because he did not man up and act like a President and tell Peloli and Reid to cut the BS pork spending, which by the way accounts for most of the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Poster Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Read back a bit, CG. I'm not defending the stimulus package at all. What I'm taking exception to is that this whole mess is all Obama's fault. Both parties have screwed this up for years. Tom, however, can't resist getting all high and mighty about what the DOW did in a day or so. Indeed, both parties are to blame, and many people within both parties are to blame. I'm venturing here, but I think the point Tom maybe trying to make is that the stock market has been known to react according to different legislation passed affecting the economy. The way I read Tom's statements is that investors feel this plan as a whole will have a negative effect on the economy and reacted accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You belief that GWB was a great President makes all your arguments null and void, CG. Your beliefs are based strictly on partisan, and not facts. But I still love ya! You are dancing around the facts again Sven. What I am talking about has absolutely nothing at all to do with GW, it is strictly Obama's "stimulus" that I am talking about. Keep dancing Sven. If you want to talk about "partisan" why is it that no Republicans were allowed in the closed door meeting about the bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Angery Broker Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 As of early Tuesday, just before Obama signing the Stimulus bill, the DOW is down almost 300. Why?? * - This is NOT as stimulus bill. Very little in the bill creates jobs NOW. * - It is a social engineering bill creating massive new expensive government bureaucracies which will never go away. * - It creates incredibly expensive new entitlement programs to give money & benefits to non-productive members of society. This creates more Democratic voters since these people need Democrats in power to assure their entitlements. * - It is a "payback" bill to reward those people and special interest groups that supported Obama and other liberal candidates and issues. Most Americans now realize what this bill really is and don't support it. Obama hasn't taken long to prove how dangerous he and his Democratically controlled Congress can be. Obama is really stimulating the DOW - the wrong way. Is this what you liberals wanted?? Yup this is what we in the industry sarcastically refer to as "The Obama Bounce." Way to quick to blow out a trillion dollars. I would bet Obama doesn't even know exactly what's in HIS stimulus package. They are just so f-ing quick to bring on "change" there bodies are getting ahead of there feet. They (we) wilfall flat on their (our) faces before this ship is righted. One phrase Obama and his cronies should look up the definition to: Laissez-Faire. Anyway i apologize in advance for any typos and less than perfect grammar. I'm ranting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I know Sable, that was not directed at you, just in general. Who I would really love to hear give me an answer to that is Rocco but for some reason he is managing to consistently avoid these topics......because there is no possible way to defend it in his favor. However, Tom is actually correct about the Dow dropping severely since Obama first mentioned his "plan" until today when he siged it, it dropped thousands of points, it is obvious that the market is not at all happy with this "bill" and does not see it as a "stimulus". I am not blaming it completely on Obama, I am blaming it mostly on Pelosi and Reid and whoever else had anything to do with adding the BS to the bill. What I blame Obama for is because he did not man up and act like a President and tell Peloli and Reid to cut the BS pork spending, which by the way accounts for most of the bill. You are basing your observations on a biased political opinion and not facts. But, such is your way. Off to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 The stimulus package sucks. The last screw up in a train of screw ups does not however absolve all of the other screw ups of the past 16 years or so. Tom can't seem to be honest and admit that both sides are at fault. Childish. But we are not talking about anything other than this stimulus bill and what the market did in reaction to this stimulus bill. We are not talking about 5 years ago, or 8 years ago, we are talking about right now, with this stimulus bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hmmmmm.....when Bush was President the buck never stopped there in your mind.....now, all of a sudden, it does. If you think that the stimulus bill alone drives the DOW, you're a bit naive about how our current global market works. You're wrong sable. I've scrutinized Bush many times. I've also defended him when I saw the hypocracy of the other side. If you read my little quote "you can't cure anthrax with more anthrax", it's all about Bush, Obama and socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Poster Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hmmmmm.....when Bush was President the buck never stopped there in your mind.....now, all of a sudden, it does. If you think that the stimulus bill alone drives the DOW, you're a bit naive about how our current global market works. The dow dropping as a whole is relfective of the current global markets. The amount it dropped today is reflective of the stimulus bill passing. It's too big of a coincidence to say that it just happened to drop that many points the day the bill was signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You are dancing around the facts again Sven. What I am talking about has absolutely nothing at all to do with GW, it is strictly Obama's "stimulus" that I am talking about. Keep dancing Sven. If you want to talk about "partisan" why is it that no Republicans were allowed in the closed door meeting about the bill? Gee - in looking at this in a partisan view - why would you invite the people that got us here in on a conference to fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 But we are not talking about anything other than this stimulus bill and what the market did in reaction to this stimulus bill. We are not talking about 5 years ago, or 8 years ago, we are talking about right now, with this stimulus bill. I farted as soon as the dow started to go down. I blame it on that. Read up on facts, CG, not conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Indeed, both parties are to blame, and many people within both parties are to blame. I'm venturing here, but I think the point Tom maybe trying to make is that the stock market has been known to react according to different legislation passed affecting the economy. The way I read Tom's statements is that investors feel this plan as a whole will have a negative effect on the economy and reacted accordingly. OMG I dont believe it.....somebody actually "gets it". Thank you for understanding what our point was. (whispering......I think that some other people do too, they would just rather dance around the facts than admit somebody in their party is wrong, especially the one who was supposed to be our "savior") . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 OMG I dont believe it.....somebody actually "gets it". Thank you for understanding what our point was. (whispering......I think that some other people do too, they would just rather dance around the facts than admit somebody in their party is wrong, especially the one who was supposed to be our "savior") . Somebody obviously has no clue as to what a "Global Economy" is, and is blaming it on a party. Darth Cheney taught you well, CG. Use the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Poster Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Gee - in looking at this in a partisan view - why would you invite the people that got us here in on a conference to fix it? By that rationalization, Sen. Dodd, Frank and Obama should have been kept out of it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You are basing your observations on a biased political opinion and not facts. But, such is your way. Off to bed. How is it a "biased political opinion"? Is it not fact that Pelosi and Reid were given responsibility of this bill by the "savior"? If that is not a fact then please enlighten me as to who it was that was responsible for it. I will be waiting. Goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Poster Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Somebody obviously has no clue as to what a "Global Economy" is, and is blaming it on a party. Darth Cheney taught you well, CG. Use the force. There is a difference between a global economy and how the stock market reacts to legislation affecting the market. As I said in a previous post, the stock market struggling is a result of the global economic situation, the sudden drop today was in response to the legislation being passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 There is a difference between a global economy and how the stock market reacts to legislation affecting the market. As I said in a previous post, the stock market struggling is a result of the global economic situation, the sudden drop today was in response to the legislation being passed. Says who? Back it up with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 How is it a "biased political opinion"? Is it not fact that Pelosi and Reid were given responsibility of this bill by the "savior"? If that is not a fact then please enlighten me as to who it was that was responsible for it. I will be waiting. Goodnight. bill by the "savior" You answered your own question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest country girl Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Gee - in looking at this in a partisan view - why would you invite the people that got us here in on a conference to fix it? You need help Sven. So much for Obama and the dems preaching "bipartisanship" huh? Oh yes, that is right, it is the typical "do as I say, not as I do", republicans need to be bipartisan but the dems dont have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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