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Arguing with Ed does not = being for an 81% increase.

 

Why can't Ed stop pretending he is a citizen watchdog, when he is really just a Kradjian lapdog?

 

 

Sorry, but in this case, what is the difference?

 

Do you want to pay 81% more for your water?

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Sorry, but in this case, what is the difference?

 

Do you want to pay 81% more for your water?

 

 

No, I just don't want to hear an agent of one of Binghamton's worst water scofflaws pretending to be leading the charge on the issue.

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No, I just don't want to hear an agent of one of Binghamton's worst water scofflaws pretending to be leading the charge on the issue.

 

 

What are you talking about???

 

Ed works for Bates Troy and they paid their $50,000 water bill and $60,000 sewage bill on time.

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What are you talking about???

 

Ed works for Bates Troy and they paid their $50,000 water bill and $60,000 sewage bill on time.

 

 

Word games. Ed works for the Kradjians, who are notorious for not paying water or tax bills on time. He does their bidding. They are scum, and so is he.

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What are you talking about???

 

Ed works for Bates Troy and they paid their $50,000 water bill and $60,000 sewage bill on time.

 

 

...and Bates Troy is owned by whom? Isn't it the same group whose companies were all over that recent Press article listing water delinquents? Isn't it Kradjians? Where does someone tightly linked to such a group get off pretending to be a leader on this issue?

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These accounts are all worse than Kradro why not target them?

 

Tax Map ID Owner's name, as listed on water bill Amount owed

03-0018-050 Cohanim Realty Corp $66,099.68

04-0003-001 Linko Technology Center Inc $38,189.83

03-0003-063 Kra Sall Corporation $16,184.61

08-0002-090 Binghamton Associates LLC $16,072.64

10-0002-042 A B C Housing Dev Fund Co $15,831.77

02-0004-059 1388 LLC $14,463.38

08-0002-084 19 Chenango Street Inc $11,280.45

08-0001-027 Chang's Realty Corp $11,267.49

08-0002-200 Binghamton Associates LLC $10,236.39

11-0001-016 Belcher John C $8,923.24

03-0002-001 ETS Realty Corporation $8,869.46

09-0006-028 Greater Binghamton Dev., LLC $6,994.82

08-0001-031 139 Washington Street LLC $6,967.53

09-0003-009 218 Water Street LLC $6,878.98

08-0001-087 People of the State of NY/BU $6,871.40

09-0006-070 Metrocenter Assoc, LLC $6,220.76

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These accounts are all worse than Kradro why not target them?

 

Tax Map ID Owner's name, as listed on water bill Amount owed

03-0018-050 Cohanim Realty Corp $66,099.68

04-0003-001 Linko Technology Center Inc $38,189.83

03-0003-063 Kra Sall Corporation $16,184.61

08-0002-090 Binghamton Associates LLC $16,072.64

10-0002-042 A B C Housing Dev Fund Co $15,831.77

02-0004-059 1388 LLC $14,463.38

08-0002-084 19 Chenango Street Inc $11,280.45

08-0001-027 Chang's Realty Corp $11,267.49

08-0002-200 Binghamton Associates LLC $10,236.39

11-0001-016 Belcher John C $8,923.24

03-0002-001 ETS Realty Corporation $8,869.46

09-0006-028 Greater Binghamton Dev., LLC $6,994.82

08-0001-031 139 Washington Street LLC $6,967.53

09-0003-009 218 Water Street LLC $6,878.98

08-0001-087 People of the State of NY/BU $6,871.40

09-0006-070 Metrocenter Assoc, LLC $6,220.76

 

They should be targeted. But again, someone closely associated with a group of notorious tax and water bill scofflaws like kradjians has no business pretending to be a leader on this issue. None, and pointing out the that there are other scofflaws as a distraction, is part and parcel of the same type of dishonesty.

 

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Let us all bow to Ed the Genius. He is right. he has always been right. Thank God for his interventions and his brilliant investigative reporting. No person has done more for Broome County than Ed A. in the last year. He has proven Mayor Ryan is an idiot and his entire staff incompetent. He deserves a key to the city. No, he deserves better! Let us name him King of the City. So, King not allowed, your water fund went from $1 million to a deficit because of Bucci. Consumption is way down and revenue shortfalls are far as the eye can see. Costs of producing are up and going way up every month.

 

What do you do?

How do you generate more revenue with less money (volume discount)?

How do you not raise rates? If you don't, how do you explain to taxpayers that you let the water fund go deeper and deeper into the red and you now must bail it out with general fund and raise taxes?

 

Please share your genius with us! I am sure you have all the solutions, King not allowed! We all wait breathlessly for your royal decrees! SHHHHHHHHHH, everybody, let the KING SPEAK!!!!

 

 

Ed does not"do" solutions. He only makes accusations and complains.

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Why then do JC, Conklin, Endicott, Rochester, Cortland and Utica among other offer discounts?

 

Of 12 muncipalities I have surveyed, 5 offer disocunt, almost half.

 

This is a very common practice everywhere except in the socialist commune that is now Binghamton.

 

If consumption is not an issue why does Ryan keep saying lower consumption is part of the reason for an increase?

 

If he wants to raise consumption, lower the price, that is basic economics.

 

Discounts are not the issue. The issue is: if ryan supported discounts, you would be complaining that homeowners are subsidizing businesses. You would be on here day and night ranting that he was wrong to offer businesses discounts. You would be decrying the corporate welfare of the ryan administration. Your only issue is the mayor. If he does something, you are against it - if he does nothing, he should do something. If he supports something, you are against it - if he is against something you are for it.

 

You are not a well man mr arzourian - not well indeed.

 

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Ed does not"do" solutions. He only makes accusations and complains.

 

 

What do you mean? He calls "city wide" meetings at which there are at least 10 people in attendance, no, no, 20 people, or wait, 30, yes 30 people, and it was bigger than the Neighborhood Assembly, yes it was, and just wait 'til the next meeting. It will be even bigger and more important.

 

He also writes very important letters to high ranking officials, copied to all local media. If they don't get answered, it's up to you to follow up for him. He surely is the modern day Thomas Paine. He said so.

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Discounts are not the issue. The issue is: if ryan supported discounts, you would be complaining that homeowners are subsidizing businesses. You would be on here day and night ranting that he was wrong to offer businesses discounts. You would be decrying the corporate welfare of the ryan administration. Your only issue is the mayor. If he does something, you are against it - if he does nothing, he should do something. If he supports something, you are against it - if he is against something you are for it.

 

You are not a well man mr arzourian - not well indeed.

 

Why then are there volume discounts in about half the water departments in NYS?

Is Binghamton open for business or not?

 

 

Here you go (all per 100 cubic ft units):

 

Endicott $35 $1.21 $0.88 discount for greater consumption. ($0.88 compared to Binghamtot's proposed $2.99, are you feeling the pain yet????)

 

Rochester $0.97 $0.83 discount for greater consumption

 

Utica (Mohawk Valley Water Authority) $2.21~ $2.24~ $1.41~*

discount for greater consumption

 

Cortland $2.00 $1.30 $1.50 discount for greater consumption

 

Johnson City $20.00 $1.68 $1.55 discount for greater consumption

 

Conklin $2.55 discount for greater consumption

 

Elmira $3.07, $2.23 disocunt for greater consumption

$0.84 less than their residential rates, a 27% discount

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Why then are there volume discounts in about half the water departments in NYS?

Is Binghamton open for business or not?

 

 

Here you go (all per 100 cubic ft units):

 

Endicott $35 $1.21 $0.88 discount for greater consumption. ($0.88 compared to Binghamtot's proposed $2.99, are you feeling the pain yet????)

 

Rochester $0.97 $0.83 discount for greater consumption

 

Utica (Mohawk Valley Water Authority) $2.21~ $2.24~ $1.41~*

discount for greater consumption

 

Cortland $2.00 $1.30 $1.50 discount for greater consumption

 

Johnson City $20.00 $1.68 $1.55 discount for greater consumption

 

Conklin $2.55 discount for greater consumption

 

Elmira $3.07, $2.23 disocunt for greater consumption

$0.84 less than their residential rates, a 27% discount

 

The point is not discounts

 

The point is - you are not well.

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The point is not discounts

 

The point is - you are not well.

 

Oh no, it very much IS about discounts. Discounts for his boss controllers the Kradjians and their Bates Troy laundry business. Never mind they are among the worst tax and water bill scofflaws in Binghamton, they are very special and important, so they are entitled. Ed is their lapdog, pretending to be a citizen watchdog.

 

As far as him being not well, that almost lets him off the hook. It may really be just a matter of him being a jerk and complete loser.

 

 

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So, Binghamton is supposed to be open for busienss.

 

Half of all water departments in New York State offer discounts.

 

Ryan and his cronies have told us a decrease in consumption is partially responsible for the problem.

 

But yet they won't offer a volume discount?

 

Why not?

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Let us all bow to Ed the Genius. He is right. he has always been right. Thank God for his interventions and his brilliant investigative reporting. No person has done more for Broome County than Ed A. in the last year. He has proven Mayor Ryan is an idiot and his entire staff incompetent. He deserves a key to the city. No, he deserves better! Let us name him King of the City. So, King not allowed, your water fund went from $1 million to a deficit because of Bucci. Consumption is way down and revenue shortfalls are far as the eye can see. Costs of producing are up and going way up every month.

 

What do you do?

How do you generate more revenue with less money (volume discount)?

How do you not raise rates? If you don't, how do you explain to taxpayers that you let the water fund go deeper and deeper into the red and you now must bail it out with general fund and raise taxes?

 

Please share your genius with us! I am sure you have all the solutions, King not allowed! We all wait breathlessly for your royal decrees! SHHHHHHHHHH, everybody, let the KING SPEAK!!!!

 

 

Did anyone ever tell you......your an DELETED ?

 

Man your out there!

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Ed posted a solution. It seems reasonable.

 

 

What do you propose? An 81% increase even if we don't need it?

 

As far as we can tell, because we don't have all the facts because Ryan won't offer them, we have a $300,000 deficit and a $100,000 increase in chemical costs.

 

So we need to raise $400,000 plus begin to rebuild the Water Fund.

 

Now Ed Crumb, a lawyer who works on the East Side Neighborhood Asemblies and is a stickler for details, estimates the current proposal will raise a surplus each and every year of $1,400,000. Mr. Crumb is a conservative guy. He thinks consumption will continue to decrease. I'm more optimistic. I know for a fact least one user will use an additional 2,000,000 GALLONS PER YEAR. There is growth outside of the City of Binghamton and Binghamton sells some of those places water. I think consumption will not decrease much more, I think it may begin to rise again.

 

My estimate is the current proposal it wil raise $2,300,000 year. Subtract the $400,000 and that is a $1,900,000 surplus each and every year.

 

Do you plan to pay off your mortgage in a year or two? No, you don't.

 

It took two years, two years of Ryan's mismanagement, along with guys like Abdelazim and Luke Day who have never managed a thing in their lives, to strip the water fund. It can take two or three or four years to replenish it. It doesn't have to be done in a year unless there is something Ryan is not telling us.

 

Half of the proposal 81% total increase in the water rate will still raise from $500,000 to almost $1,000,000 per year.

 

If decreasing consumption is part of the problem offer large users a volume discount as they do in about half to the water department in New York State. So people Binghamton really is open for business.

 

The Water funds is replenished in two years or so and it continues to grow every year. Residents have half the increase Ryan planned, and that is something they can live with.

 

Rates have gone from $1.65 to $2.10 in about 15 months. Raise them another 15% to 20% total, not another 43%. It is called compromise. It is how business is done and things accomplished

 

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Ed posted a solution. It seems reasonable.

 

 

What do you propose? An 81% increase even if we don't need it?

 

Ed's "reasonable" "solution"? A discount for his "employer" (Kradjians) and a rate increase for everyone else. Definitely the modern day Thomas Paine.

 

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Ed's "reasonable" "solution"? A discount for his "employer" (Kradjians) and a rate increase for everyone else. Definitely the modern day Thomas Paine.

 

Again if half the Water Department in NY State do this and the other half has lower rates anyway, why can't Binghamton do it?

 

Is Binghamton really open for business or not?

 

Furthermore why are you supporting the 811% increase when half that increase would be enough?

 

Do you like paying 81% more per year?

 

Explain your rationale

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Again if half the Water Department in NY State do this and the other half has lower rates anyway, why can't Binghamton do it?

 

Is Binghamton really open for business or not?

 

Furthermore why are you supporting the 811% increase when half that increase would be enough?

 

Do you like paying 81% more per year?

 

Explain your rationale

 

Is that an order? Is the only choice agree with Ed, or support an 81% increase?

 

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Is that an order? Is the only choice agree with Ed, or support an 81% increase?

 

Offer an alternative.

 

Do you support an 81% increase in water rates. If so why? If not what will you do to stop it?

 

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Offer an alternative.

 

Do you support an 81% increase in water rates. If so why? If not what will you do to stop it?

 

Is that another order from General Ed, the modern day Thomas Paine, who can summon 10 people at a clip to his "city wide" meetings of the He-Man Ryan Hater's Club? A man of his staure needs an alternative? How could that be, when he is proposing something so very "reasonable", a discount for his friends and employers the Kradjians, and an increase for everyone else.

 

For obvious reasons, an 81% increase is not desireable. But to "stop" it may not be possible at this point, given the political situation in the city, and your stupid, grossly self important letters copied to all local media, as if you are someone to whom they must answer, won't change squat.

 

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For obvious reasons, an 81% increase is not desireable. But to "stop" it may not be possible at this point, given the political situation in the city,

 

 

It may not be possible to stop it???

 

Why not????

 

City Council and the Water rate commission (Ryan, Luke Day and two ro three others) just have to change their mind.

 

What does the political situation have to do with that?

 

Thanks for more smoke and mirrors and another attempt at disinformation.

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It may not be possible to stop it???

 

Why not????

 

City Council and the Water rate commission (Ryan, Luke Day and two ro three others) just have to change their mind.

 

What does the political situation have to do with that?

 

Thanks for more smoke and mirrors and another attempt at disinformation.

 

Smoke and mirrors would be pretending to be a leader on the issue, when you are actually an agent of one of the city's worst tax and water bill delinquents, the Kradjians, who have the nerve to demand a discount, when they are not even current.

 

Naturally, for a stalker and political groupie filled with hatred for mayor Ryan, it may be difficult to accept that for now Ryan and his supporters fully control the political process, but they do.

 

Your stupid letter writing and "city wide" meetings with 10 people attending will not change Ryan's mind. It will do the opposite. You should frankly acknowledge that, sit down, and STFU. You're not a modern day Thomas Paine, or anything approaching that. You're just a phony jerk that works for a group of phony jerks, who've made an art of ripping off the taxpayers.

 

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Smoke and mirrors would be pretending to be a leader on the issue, when you are actually an agent of one of the city's worst tax and water bill delinquents, the Kradjians, who have the nerve to demand a discount, when they are not even current.

 

Naturally, for a stalker and political groupie filled with hatred for mayor Ryan, it may be difficult to accept that for now Ryan and his supporters fully control the political process, but they do.

 

Your stupid letter writing and "city wide" meetings with 10 people attending will not change Ryan's mind. It will do the opposite. You should frankly acknowledge that, sit down, and STFU. You're not a modern day Thomas Paine, or anything approaching that. You're just a phony jerk that works for a group of phony jerks, who've made an art of ripping off the taxpayers.

 

 

Now Now! You want to discredt the Kradjians? They always pay the bill,so I really don't understand your arguementm because it's paid at the end of the year and the city ends up on the better end for the City.

 

So stop your attacks enough of your nonsense!

 

Let me ask you a much more important QUESTION WHY WASN'T THE 700,000 dollar payment to the General fund Instead of the Water Fund Account mentioned?

 

Your Administration as well as the Binghamton Press knew of this payment and nothing was mentioned in the Press Articles to alert taxpayers.

 

So our bias Newspaper keep important information from the public. WHY? You did as well. WHY?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Now Now! You want to discredt the Kradjians? They always pay the bill,so I really don't understand your arguementm because it's paid at the end of the year and the city ends up on the better end for the City.

 

So stop your attacks enough of your nonsense!

 

Let me ask you a much more important QUESTION WHY WASN'T THE 700,000 dollar payment to the General fund Instead of the Water Fund Account mentioned?

 

Your Administration as well as the Binghamton Press knew of this payment and nothing was mentioned in the Press Articles to alert taxpayers.

 

So our bias Newspaper keep important information from the public. WHY? You did as well. WHY?

 

Kradjians discredit themselves. They "always pay"? Wasn't that them listed in the recent article as not paying for their property that houses Broome County DSS?

 

They "always pay"? Shouldn't that be they always pay LATE? And please do not suggest, as you did in post #69 on this thread, that somehow those late payments are no problem, because penalties are paid.

 

If that was so, then everyone should pay late, because the penalties will help reduce revenue shortfalls.

 

Scofflaws like them have no business seeking discounts, and you have no business representing yourself as some kind of citizen watchdog, when you are nothing but their errand boy lapdog.

 

 

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