The West Sider Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Read first: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110516/ap_on_hi_te/us_led_lighting;_ylt=AsE3Gkdtse.WMyLRBM_sWOCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqNzVocWJlBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNTE2L3VzX2xlZF9saWdodGluZwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzgEcG9zAzUEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNs Read Second (Note Second Paragraph): http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds/2009/08/timothy-p-carney-how-ges-green-lobbying-killing-us-factory-jobs Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Read first: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110516/ap_on_hi_te/us_led_lighting;_ylt=AsE3Gkdtse.WMyLRBM_sWOCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqNzVocWJlBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNTE2L3VzX2xlZF9saWdodGluZwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzgEcG9zAzUEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNs Read Second (Note Second Paragraph): http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds/2009/08/timothy-p-carney-how-ges-green-lobbying-killing-us-factory-jobs Enjoy. I purchased 4 cases of 100w real bulbs. They shout last me the rest of my life I am hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 $50 per light bulb? This administration is worse than Carter's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Attacks Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 $50 per light bulb? This administration is worse than Carter's! Bush actually signed it into law. Second, CFL's are not 50$ per light bulb and can be used. Third if you read the articles they're actually trying to drive the cost down to 10$ by 2015. Which at 10$ with the longevity LED bulbs have, plus the cost savings of energy usage they will be more cost effective than incandescent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Bush actually signed it into law. Second, CFL's are not 50$ per light bulb and can be used. Third if you read the articles they're actually trying to drive the cost down to 10$ by 2015. Which at 10$ with the longevity LED bulbs have, plus the cost savings of energy usage they will be more cost effective than incandescent. You regurgitate everything they pounded into your head? Let me guess.....you also believe Obamacare will lower health care costs??????? You assume many things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logical Attacks Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 You regurgitate everything they pounded into your head? Let me guess.....you also believe Obamacare will lower health care costs??????? You assume many things. Actually I pointed out that it wasn't "this administration" that signed it into law. Which is a fact. I then pointed out that they're trying to drive the cost down (another fact) because at a 50$ price point they won't get purchased. I could point you to articles concerning the longevity of LEDs (another fact). I then could point you to electricity usage of LED vs incandescent, and that LEDs consume less electricity (another fact). I also pointed out that there are light bulbs currently on the market that are not incandescent that could be used that are not 50$ (another fact). Looks like I made a bunch of factually correct statements, with no real assumptions in them. Is it hard to live in a world where facts are considered assumptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Actually I pointed out that it wasn't "this administration" that signed it into law. Which is a fact. I then pointed out that they're trying to drive the cost down (another fact) because at a 50$ price point they won't get purchased. I could point you to articles concerning the longevity of LEDs (another fact). I then could point you to electricity usage of LED vs incandescent, and that LEDs consume less electricity (another fact). I also pointed out that there are light bulbs currently on the market that are not incandescent that could be used that are not 50$ (another fact). Looks like I made a bunch of factually correct statements, with no real assumptions in them. Is it hard to live in a world where facts are considered assumptions? He lives in the same universe where an opinion is considered a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Actually I pointed out that it wasn't "this administration" that signed it into law. Which is a fact. I then pointed out that they're trying to drive the cost down (another fact) because at a 50$ price point they won't get purchased. I could point you to articles concerning the longevity of LEDs (another fact). I then could point you to electricity usage of LED vs incandescent, and that LEDs consume less electricity (another fact). I also pointed out that there are light bulbs currently on the market that are not incandescent that could be used that are not 50$ (another fact). Looks like I made a bunch of factually correct statements, with no real assumptions in them. Is it hard to live in a world where facts are considered assumptions? This light bulb fiasco is no different than the Chevy Volt fiasco but on a smaller scale, when compared side to side and not on a national level. Nobody is going to pay 41K for a small, underpowered American car that runs on batteries. Likewise, no one is going to pay between $10-50 for a silly light bulb. When they get as cheap as the ones we have now, you may have a point. I don't assume anything the government says as automatically true. I certainly don't believe Obamacare will save costs for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 There is a simple solution for many people. Lightbulbs are cheap enough and have enough life in them that you can stock up on the bulbs you need. Simply buy up a few cases and every time you need a bulb, go to your own store. Heck, in the barn I have light bulbs that are easily over 20 years old and still light up every time I flip the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 LED bulbs are next generation and the prices will go down over time. A simpler solution is to buy a compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL) which can save up to $30 over its lifetime and pay for itself in about six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 LED bulbs are next generation and the prices will go down over time. A simpler solution is to buy a compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL) which can save up to $30 over its lifetime and pay for itself in about six months. Fluorescent light bulbs are a crappy light source and dont work well when it gets cold outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Fluorescent light bulbs are a crappy light source and dont work well when it gets cold outside. That's your opinion. You are entitled to it. I don't have any problem with them, especially when less of my money goes to NYSEG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Actually I pointed out that it wasn't "this administration" that signed it into law. Which is a fact. I then pointed out that they're trying to drive the cost down (another fact) because at a 50$ price point they won't get purchased. I could point you to articles concerning the longevity of LEDs (another fact). I then could point you to electricity usage of LED vs incandescent, and that LEDs consume less electricity (another fact). I also pointed out that there are light bulbs currently on the market that are not incandescent that could be used that are not 50$ (another fact). Looks like I made a bunch of factually correct statements, with no real assumptions in them. Is it hard to live in a world where facts are considered assumptions? You're making sense, don't pay attention to the others...I didn't infer that you were lobbying for GE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 That's your opinion. You are entitled to it. I don't have any problem with them, especially when less of my money goes to NYSEG. And that is absolutely fine. Problem is, by eliminating the regular bulb through laws, you are taking choices away from an allegedly free people. I am all for the other bulbs if other people want to use them. What I have a problem with is taking choices away from people through even MORE laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 And that is absolutely fine. Problem is, by eliminating the regular bulb through laws, you are taking choices away from an allegedly free people. I am all for the other bulbs if other people want to use them. What I have a problem with is taking choices away from people through even MORE laws. CFLs are about one out of every four lamp sales, and that number keeps growing while the sales of incandescent lamps keeps declining. Whether by law or not, eventually incandescent light bulbs will become obsolete just like the 8-track player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 CFLs are about one out of every four lamp sales, and that number keeps growing while the sales of incandescent lamps keeps declining. Whether by law or not, eventually incandescent light bulbs will become obsolete just like the 8-track player. Again, I say that is just fine. You still dont seem to understand, I am not against the bulbs. I dont like them and have ensured I dont have to worry about buying CFL's for a long time. I am against the Government telling me how and with what I am going to light my home with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Again, I say that is just fine. You still dont seem to understand, I am not against the bulbs. I dont like them and have ensured I dont have to worry about buying CFL's for a long time. I am against the Government telling me how and with what I am going to light my home with. Such is the way of life here in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Again, I say that is just fine. You still dont seem to understand, I am not against the bulbs. I dont like them and have ensured I dont have to worry about buying CFL's for a long time. I am against the Government telling me how and with what I am going to light my home with. I agree with you. The government has no business outlawing the bulbs I use now. That is a reducing my freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I agree with you. The government has no business outlawing the bulbs I use now. That is a reducing my freedom. Move to another country. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Move to another country. Problem solved. The government needs to be put back in it's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 The government needs to be put back in it's place. And we need to bring back outdoor plumbing and the horse and buggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 And we need to bring back outdoor plumbing and the horse and buggy. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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