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Transferring does nothing anyway except maybe make your HS career better. It does not give you more looks. If you want to be seen, you need to go to the different camps offered in the summer.

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Transferring does nothing anyway except maybe make your HS career better. It does not give you more looks. If you want to be seen, you need to go to the different camps offered in the summer.

 

 

The team you play for CAN make a difference. Maybe not for the can't miss prospects, but if your not one of them it's better to be seen playing against against AA competition than B, C, etc.

 

Those camps help, but they really want to see you in game situations.

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M.E. is a lock in B also. The best teams in the area regardless of size are ranked in the preseason as follows

 

1. U.E

2. M.E.

3. Corning

4. Vestal

5. Binghamton

6. Elmira

7. Chenango Forks

8. Johnson City

9 Waverly

10 CV

Vestal showed nothing in the scrimmage vs any of the teams. Forks walked all over them. Either Vestal will tank (pun intended) or they rested starters.

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M-E is gonna win another New York State title and then play and win a high school National Championship. They will play Mater Dei of California.

 

Good luck with that.

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The team you play for CAN make a difference. Maybe not for the can't miss prospects, but if your not one of them it's better to be seen playing against against AA competition than B, C, etc.

 

Those camps help, but they really want to see you in game situations.

So if Jamar and Jordan stay at JC they don't get the looks that DaQuan Jones got there because they played AA instead of B? None of those 3 were cant miss prospects out of HS. DaQuan was 3 star, far from cant miss. Jamar set records at Binghamton and went UMass and sadly didn't play much. Jordan is all ready a well documented train wreck and well DaQuan Jones will be playing on Sundays if he keeps it up.

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"So if Jamar and Jordan stay at JC they don't get the looks that DaQuan Jones got there because they played AA instead of B?"

 

It's hard to say, maybe not.

 

JT's documented track speed is what made him stand out as a prospect. Outside that, he's not an especially talented runner [straight line, no feet] or all around athlete as FBS prospects go. Willing to hit people on D a big plus though! Maybe he doesn't go to FBS Rutgers if at JC, hard to say.

 

JS ran for a lot of yards at BHS and apparently got a nice schoalrship despite his weaknesses/question marks. That was, "bricks for hands" and apparently could not be projected as a WR or DB if he didn't make it at RB. The question mark, can he run in a crowd? Apparently not, he was great open field runner from that spread offense and got a lot of blocking at BHS that last year. Maybe he goes to D2 or an Ithaca or Cortland St. type school if he was at JC.

 

DJ - Three star players are almost can't miss at some level. Full-ride at FCS for sure anyway. I didn't mean can't miss NFL type prospect. They will go take a serious look at guys with his height/weight wherever they are. Kind of like 7 footers in BB, not a lot of them to go around. Maybe he gets more offers if he had played at a higher profile school or a better football state?

 

I can't argue that some players will stand out to a good recruiter wherever they are, the marginal prospects [Were JT and JS marginal and should have gone to a lower level in the first place?] can use the higher level of competion as a benchamrk to show their stuff.

 

If you want to be the best, it helps to compete with and against the best you can.

 

 

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If you mean from this fall forward, 3 of the next 5, you have no idea how ridiculous a claim that is. Especially that starting next fall they will be Class A again for the next several years at least.

 

If they do though, great. More power to any local team that can pull a run like that off in any class..

You do realize you're probably responding to a 7th grader right?

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First thing first... There are no elite football teams from section 4. I repeat, there are NO ELITE FOOTBALL TEAMS FROM SECTION 4. There are no elite teams from NYS. Let that digest for a second....

 

There are programs that enjoy some success year over year, in section 4 or NYS, but none of these teams are elite. Hell, outside of NYS these teams are mediocre at best. If you take the best Maine Endwell team (probably last year or the 05/06 team I can't remember which year they won) they would get beat by at least 30 by a team that is upper middle of the road in PA with the same class size. Same goes for any Syracuse, Buffalo or Rochester team, as well as any team from downstate or LI. Southern Columbia, a school that graduated around 100 kids in PA won 5 or 6 state titles in a row, and sent many kids D1 (Hynoski from GMen played on many of those teams), they would have beaten the best NYS title winning team from any class in any point in history and they are from the lowest class in PA- that includes all the teams you Sparents played on, the old North High teams, any 1980's JC team, and every UE and Vestal team assembled.

 

That being said... There are some elite talents in NYS- recently Jones brothers, D.Jones, et al from upstate, Ray Rice, etc... These type of guys would benefit solely by traveling for camps. Playing in any division in NYS, AA, A, B, etc provides you with the same exposure as the next- none outside of northeast schools. Very, very, very few NYS schools warrant any consistent regional attention, and outside of maybe New Rochelle and Islip, zero national attention. NYS is not a hot bed for football talent, really never was, probably never will be. National recruiters look south and west, not north and east (less PA, Ohio and Prep schools). If they get lucky with a couple of kids from NY- peachy. Otherwise any really good NY kid is probably going to Cuse, Rutgers, Penn State or a New England school... Maybe something in the Mid-Atlantic.

 

The summer football camps at large football schools are a NYS football players best opportunity for exposure, that and a father or coach who tirelessly sends cuts to recruiters and coaches. The next Jones brother type or DeQuan from NYS (especially section 4) would be best suited to gain exposure by creating a cut tape and send it to every coach at every school you can afford to send it to, and go to as many big time summer camps they can afford. And by big time I mean PSU at a minimum. Very few non-NYS D1 schools are sending recruiters to NYS to catch a game of a kid... Sorry, just is not happening. No program in NYS warrants an SEC or ACC coach to say "Hey Jack, send a recruiter to the XYZ vs ABC game in Upstate NY, they usually have 2 or 3 kids on the team that are legit"...

 

If you want your kid to have a legitimate chance at going to a big time school... Pack up the family, move to Western PA, Ohio, Florida, Gulf Coast, Texas or Cali and start a new life there... Or at the least, get down to Jersey and try to send him to a Don B or something like that. Even the biggest stars on the "big stages" (Joneses, Rice, etc...) get limited offers, and it isn't the class they are in, it is the state.

 

Sorry to all the parents who think otherwise, any coach who 'recruits' a kid to a UE or Bing, or any kid who thinks otherwise... That is the truth. No school in Section 4 is getting you national attention over another, hell no school is getting you attention from SU, RU or PSU over another.... Got to do it yourself, get help from a coach sending cuts, or go to camps. A coach who tries to get a kid to transfer, or a parent who moves from JC to Bing or UE is grasping for straws, or is trying to stack their team. But, if that is the best a parent can do, by all means... Go ahead... Anyone who truly knows anything about football or has left Upstate NY and/or the Northeast for any amount of time will agree hands down.

 

If you want to stay in Upstate and get a handsdown D1 ride somewhere- pick up a LAX stick. The only sport we Upstaters have a definitive advantage on.

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If you want to stay in Upstate and get a handsdown D1 ride somewhere- pick up a LAX stick. The only sport we Upstaters have a definitive advantage on.

 

and that's only because we are one of the few areas in the USA that play lacrosse seriously.

 

If California, Florida, Texas etc took lacrosse seriously and every school had it for 4+ decades now, NY (long Island and Upstate) would be in the middle of the pack at best or (likely) lower just like we are in football.

 

As for your football rant, there are SOME elite programs in NYS, but a longtime high school wood-shop teacher could count them on one hand.

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Binghamton looked pretty good against what was so supposed to be a decent JC team (guess not). JC looks like they have some athletes but the coaching they are getting is suspect. Lineman are in a goal line, wedge, 4 point stance every snap? How do you pull, trap or pass block out of a 4 point stance? On one pass play a Binghamton defender hopped right over an offensive lineman before they could even lift their head. And how many times did JC run a sprint pass/ boot to the left with a right handed QB? Dead lord help these kids.

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First thing first... There are no elite football teams from section 4. I repeat, there are NO ELITE FOOTBALL TEAMS FROM SECTION 4. There are no elite teams from NYS. Let that digest for a second....

 

There are programs that enjoy some success year over year, in section 4 or NYS, but none of these teams are elite. Hell, outside of NYS these teams are mediocre at best. If you take the best Maine Endwell team (probably last year or the 05/06 team I can't remember which year they won) they would get beat by at least 30 by a team that is upper middle of the road in PA with the same class size. Same goes for any Syracuse, Buffalo or Rochester team, as well as any team from downstate or LI. Southern Columbia, a school that graduated around 100 kids in PA won 5 or 6 state titles in a row, and sent many kids D1 (Hynoski from GMen played on many of those teams), they would have beaten the best NYS title winning team from any class in any point in history and they are from the lowest class in PA- that includes all the teams you Sparents played on, the old North High teams, any 1980's JC team, and every UE and Vestal team assembled.

 

That being said... There are some elite talents in NYS- recently Jones brothers, D.Jones, et al from upstate, Ray Rice, etc... These type of guys would benefit solely by traveling for camps. Playing in any division in NYS, AA, A, B, etc provides you with the same exposure as the next- none outside of northeast schools. Very, very, very few NYS schools warrant any consistent regional attention, and outside of maybe New Rochelle and Islip, zero national attention. NYS is not a hot bed for football talent, really never was, probably never will be. National recruiters look south and west, not north and east (less PA, Ohio and Prep schools). If they get lucky with a couple of kids from NY- peachy. Otherwise any really good NY kid is probably going to Cuse, Rutgers, Penn State or a New England school... Maybe something in the Mid-Atlantic.

 

The summer football camps at large football schools are a NYS football players best opportunity for exposure, that and a father or coach who tirelessly sends cuts to recruiters and coaches. The next Jones brother type or DeQuan from NYS (especially section 4) would be best suited to gain exposure by creating a cut tape and send it to every coach at every school you can afford to send it to, and go to as many big time summer camps they can afford. And by big time I mean PSU at a minimum. Very few non-NYS D1 schools are sending recruiters to NYS to catch a game of a kid... Sorry, just is not happening. No program in NYS warrants an SEC or ACC coach to say "Hey Jack, send a recruiter to the XYZ vs ABC game in Upstate NY, they usually have 2 or 3 kids on the team that are legit"...

 

If you want your kid to have a legitimate chance at going to a big time school... Pack up the family, move to Western PA, Ohio, Florida, Gulf Coast, Texas or Cali and start a new life there... Or at the least, get down to Jersey and try to send him to a Don B or something like that. Even the biggest stars on the "big stages" (Joneses, Rice, etc...) get limited offers, and it isn't the class they are in, it is the state.

 

Sorry to all the parents who think otherwise, any coach who 'recruits' a kid to a UE or Bing, or any kid who thinks otherwise... That is the truth. No school in Section 4 is getting you national attention over another, hell no school is getting you attention from SU, RU or PSU over another.... Got to do it yourself, get help from a coach sending cuts, or go to camps. A coach who tries to get a kid to transfer, or a parent who moves from JC to Bing or UE is grasping for straws, or is trying to stack their team. But, if that is the best a parent can do, by all means... Go ahead... Anyone who truly knows anything about football or has left Upstate NY and/or the Northeast for any amount of time will agree hands down.

 

If you want to stay in Upstate and get a handsdown D1 ride somewhere- pick up a LAX stick. The only sport we Upstaters have a definitive advantage on.

One of the best posts Ive ever read on here.

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I second that. It still amazes me that people think otherwise and have their head buried in the sand

 

Yep, a team like ME has had a real good run the last few years but if they were to play a Texas high school team they would be handed their heads.

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Yep, a team like ME has had a real good run the last few years but if they were to play a Texas high school team they would be handed their heads.

Just turn it on to ESPN HS games and youll see teams not Nationally ranked hanging with ranked programs. Those team have at least two guys going to BIG TIME college football programs. The other guys prolly go small D1. Wrestling and Lax are really only sports the area can compete with nationally.

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The below is omewhat untrue about ny teams that cannot compete against ipper middle of road PA teams. People seem to forget that Binghamton in the 80s beat the BEST team in PA Berwick that year quite handily in Berwicks own house. UE that yr gave Bing a better contest than Berwick. ME would of last yr competed with ANYONE (public school)nationally with a graduating class less than 200 like themselves. They were that good for the respective size of school. I agree that NY is by no means a powerhouse state but every now and then there are a dew schools a given yr that would compete at the national level for their given size

 

First thing first... There are no elite football teams from section 4. I repeat, there are NO ELITE FOOTBALL TEAMS FROM SECTION 4. There are no elite teams from NYS. Let that digest for a second....

 

There are programs that enjoy some success year over year, in section 4 or NYS, but none of these teams are elite. Hell, outside of NYS these teams are mediocre at best. If you take the best Maine Endwell team (probably last year or the 05/06 team I can't remember which year they won) they would get beat by at least 30 by a team that is upper middle of the road in PA with the same class size. Same goes for any Syracuse, Buffalo or Rochester team, as well as any team from downstate or LI. Southern Columbia, a school that graduated around 100 kids in PA won 5 or 6 state titles in a row, and sent many kids D1 (Hynoski from GMen played on many of those teams), they would have beaten the best NYS title winning team from any class in any point in history and they are from the lowest class in PA- that includes all the teams you Sparents played on, the old North High teams, any 1980's JC team, and every UE and Vestal team assembled.

 

That being said... There are some elite talents in NYS- recently Jones brothers, D.Jones, et al from upstate, Ray Rice, etc... These type of guys would benefit solely by traveling for camps. Playing in any division in NYS, AA, A, B, etc provides you with the same exposure as the next- none outside of northeast schools. Very, very, very few NYS schools warrant any consistent regional attention, and outside of maybe New Rochelle and Islip, zero national attention. NYS is not a hot bed for football talent, really never was, probably never will be. National recruiters look south and west, not north and east (less PA, Ohio and Prep schools). If they get lucky with a couple of kids from NY- peachy. Otherwise any really good NY kid is probably going to Cuse, Rutgers, Penn State or a New England school... Maybe something in the Mid-Atlantic.

 

The summer football camps at large football schools are a NYS football players best opportunity for exposure, that and a father or coach who tirelessly sends cuts to recruiters and coaches. The next Jones brother type or DeQuan from NYS (especially section 4) would be best suited to gain exposure by creating a cut tape and send it to every coach at every school you can afford to send it to, and go to as many big time summer camps they can afford. And by big time I mean PSU at a minimum. Very few non-NYS D1 schools are sending recruiters to NYS to catch a game of a kid... Sorry, just is not happening. No program in NYS warrants an SEC or ACC coach to say "Hey Jack, send a recruiter to the XYZ vs ABC game in Upstate NY, they usually have 2 or 3 kids on the team that are legit"...

 

If you want your kid to have a legitimate chance at going to a big time school... Pack up the family, move to Western PA, Ohio, Florida, Gulf Coast, Texas or Cali and start a new life there... Or at the least, get down to Jersey and try to send him to a Don B or something like that. Even the biggest stars on the "big stages" (Joneses, Rice, etc...) get limited offers, and it isn't the class they are in, it is the state.

 

Sorry to all the parents who think otherwise, any coach who 'recruits' a kid to a UE or Bing, or any kid who thinks otherwise... That is the truth. No school in Section 4 is getting you national attention over another, hell no school is getting you attention from SU, RU or PSU over another.... Got to do it yourself, get help from a coach sending cuts, or go to camps. A coach who tries to get a kid to transfer, or a parent who moves from JC to Bing or UE is grasping for straws, or is trying to stack their team. But, if that is the best a parent can do, by all means... Go ahead... Anyone who truly knows anything about football or has left Upstate NY and/or the Northeast for any amount of time will agree hands down.

 

If you want to stay in Upstate and get a handsdown D1 ride somewhere- pick up a LAX stick. The only sport we Upstaters have a definitive advantage on.

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And a few baseball players going D1.

There is always a few baseball players going D1 from the area. Baseball probably has sent the most athletes to D1. But going to small D1 is a great accomplishment but playing in the NE (think theres over 30 schools in NY, PA, NJ, CT,MA, VT, NH, ME that offer it) is not going Big Time like this thread talks about the football players doing. Not many have signed with ACC or SEC or even Big East or Big Ten). Wrestling is right up despite the few schools that offer it and off course has had many guys reach the top of their sport.

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Binghamton looked pretty good against what was so supposed to be a decent JC team (guess not). JC looks like they have some athletes but the coaching they are getting is suspect. Lineman are in a goal line, wedge, 4 point stance every snap? How do you pull, trap or pass block out of a 4 point stance? On one pass play a Binghamton defender hopped right over an offensive lineman before they could even lift their head. And how many times did JC run a sprint pass/ boot to the left with a right handed QB? Dead lord help these kids.

 

 

Binghamton goes to ME next week. ME will be without Kyle Gallagher.

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