uncle buck Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you are a law abiding citizen, what are you worried about? Only one involved in illegal activity should worry?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingoloid Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Nothing illegal about shooting one down if it's overflying your property and there is no firearms restrictive local ordinance, either. As long as you're at least 500 ft from neighbors or have their permission. Destroying a flying aircraft is a federal crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison. Threatening to do so is punishable by up to 5. Even if federal prosecutors decline to get involved (which is likely), you're still looking at destruction of property. You can use force to prevent harm, not simply to end a trespass. If you don't believe me, shoot up someone else's car you don't want in your driveway anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 It's not an aircraft. It's a remotely controlled toy nuisancing and trespassing. Like when the neighbor kid's frisbee lands on your roof. You don't have to toss it back. Obviously it is out of control if it is over my property; therefore a hazard. If it were an aircraft it would have FAA registration numbers displayed on the side. If "anything that flies" is an aircraft then skeet or grouse shooting wouldn't be legal. If that property is on or over my property it is subject to the same greeting a feral dog would receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingoloid Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 It's not an aircraft.The NTSB ruled against you last year. http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2014/11/18/ntsb-overturns-pirker-finds-for-faa-that-drones-are-aircraft-subject-to-its-rules/ Obviously it is out of control if it is over my property; therefore a hazard.This is probably a novel argument, but one that would be unlikely to pan out, especially since it will likely become much more out of control and hazardous after you shoot it. The law doesn't broadly provide for shooting up other people's nuisances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB 2 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you are a law abiding citizen, what are you worried about? Only one involved in illegal activity should worry?????? In spite of what a great body I have, while sunbathing I have no desire to allow some stranger to observe it without my permission. Even before our obamanation Legal has not necessarily meant Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Per the Forbes/FAA article: If the drones are compliant with the FAA rules (FAR Part 91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes: General) it won't be a problem. As they will be 1,000 ft above my home or at minimum 500 ft above open property and I couldn't hit one in that case. Everyone's happy . . . provided the drones are inspected annually and the operators pass the civilian pilot written and physical exams. Apparently some folks regard a paper airplane thrown by hand as an "aircraft" by the broad definition. The government will be glad st set up regulatory offices to take care of charging us all to monitor the bozos who fly drones recklessly. http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=14:2.0.1.3.10#se14.2.91_1119 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I read mirrored or glass implements on a roof could disrupt the circuitry of a drone. I was thinking magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaGump Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Well you can always send up your stealth fighter drone and blast it to smithereans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 ^lol BG-OOPS! sorry, let me get my insurance policy out and see if it covers air highway traffic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Now that I think about it, I wonder what if any effect solar panels have on drones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 None at all. They operate on 2.4 gHz - just like a cell phone. In fact, the new generation of R/C transmitters make a 1:1 contact with the receiver and skip frequencies a thousand times a second to prevent "brown-outs" or signal loss. What you may be able to do is disrupt the video feed if the pilot is using remote video to guide the model with reflected sunlight to "blind" the camera with an overloaded image receptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 So, something like a large magnifying glass? I'm thinking like a satellite dish that you remote point yourself? (satellite dish shaped/sized magnifying glass) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you can get the magnifying glass between the sun and the drone and it has a couple hundred foot focal length . . . maybe. A polished dish (parabolic reflector) would work, but it would only concentrate the light at one specific distance. Just a plain mirror would dazzle the video. How about barrage balloons - helium balloons on 100 ft ribbons. Festive AND defensive! Mylar ones would also have the dazzle feature when the sun's out. Pump .22LR would be a LOT cheaper. Or even a fast flying model with a 30 foot streamer loosely attached. Overfly a drones and the prop-blast will suck the ribbon down into the rotors; and they don't fly well at all with one rotor stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 ^ None of these seems practical but neither does mine. Kind of a conundrum because who has time to stand around looking for drones all day and night? When this topic first started I had this funny thought that I'd be washing dishes, look up and see some type of flying mechanism in my kitchen window. I suppose if someone really wanted to spy on you they have cameras that look like insects etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingoloid Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Per the Forbes/FAA article: If the drones are compliant with the FAA rules (FAR Part 91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes: General) it won't be a problem. As they will be 1,000 ft above my home or at minimum 500 ft above open property and I couldn't hit one in that case. Everyone's happy . . .Regardless of altitude, shooting it down is a federal crime. Whether the pilot is violating the height restriction or not, the law does not provide for you enforcing it in the FAA's behalf. Your earlier statements were incorrect. As with other non-violent trespassing, the law allows you to call the police to have the nuisance handled, not to shoot it to pieces. I only push this point because talking big about laws that don't exist is going to encourage some local gomer to get themselves arrested. Our area is in the news for idiocy often enough as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Well Bing what about the remote controlled flying insects? I think 60 minutes had a show on them years ago with regard to military and police using them. What's the difference? A bug flying over your property or literally in your kitchen window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuds Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Here's an interesting read and a cool video on bringing down a drone. Lord knows what it will cost! http://petapixel.com/2015/10/15/this-rifle-shoots-down-drones-with-radio-waves/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I saw that too during my cursory search but as I said...who has time to stand around looking for drones. I'm lucky I found a kitten this year Good girl caught 2 mice already!!!! I digress, I digress!!!! (She's so fast!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingoloid Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Well Bing what about the remote controlled flying insects? I think 60 minutes had a show on them years ago with regard to military and police using them. What's the difference? A bug flying over your property or literally in your kitchen window?Inside your home is criminal trespass and if the purpose is another crime, like theft or assault, it becomes burglary and you are entitled to kill an intruder. Your lawn is not burglary. If you attacked an otherwise peaceful trespasser walking through your yard, you'd have big legal problems. If someone won't leave but is not threatening, you're supposed to call the cops, not start blasting away. The human analogy only goes so far, obviously, but all of this is assuming the drone is in a position considered a trespasser in this first place (people shooting drones have been caught lying/exaggerating), and disregarding the fact that, trespasser or not, federal law says you can't go knocking aircraft out of the sky. Inside your home is not FAA jurisdiction. Above your roof is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 My kitchen window looks over my driveway. A drone flies through my driveway and I can't take it out? I can't perhaps stun/disrupt it with the sink sprayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Regardless of altitude, shooting it down is a federal crime. Whether the pilot is violating the height restriction or not, the law does not provide for you enforcing it in the FAA's behalf. Your earlier statements were incorrect. As with other non-violent trespassing, the law allows you to call the police to have the nuisance handled, not to shoot it to pieces. I only push this point because talking big about laws that don't exist is going to encourage some local gomer to get themselves arrested. Our area is in the news for idiocy often enough as it is. I bet it's not. If someone flies a $200 drone over your house and you shoot it down in an area otherwise allowable for gunfire I bet it never makes it into a federal court system. In fact, I'm willing to go farther than just bet on it . . . if the situation arises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaGump Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 If I want to blast one hovering over my property I will! You can coward I'd you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanker Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 You can coward I'd you want to. Wtf??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 :)Here, let me translate! " You can cower if you want to" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaGump Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 There ya go gin gin I can't help spell check or even al my typos but wanks fingers are more nimble than mine I'm sure because he has roses palm and her 5 fingers over every day so he's better at typing tha I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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