Ninth Circuit

[19April1775]

I thought this to be quite interesting. Use your favorite search engine and look for Thomas Jefferson to William Jarvis September 28th 1820. Some sites only have pieces of the full letter, many also have the full version. Apparently Jarvis had sent Jefferson a writing to be reviewed. Jefferson hadn't had the the time yet to fully review it but did have this to say.

 

"...You seem … to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy..."

 

"...The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots..."

 

"...If the legislature fails to pass laws for a census, for paying the judges and other officers of government, for establishing a militia, for naturalization as prescribed by the Constitution, or if they fail to meet in congress, the judges cannot issue their mandamus to them ; if the President fails to supply the place of a judge, to appoint other civil or military officers, to issue requisite commissions, the judges cannot force him. …"

 

"...The Constitution, in keeping three departments distinct and independent, restrains the authority of the judges to judiciary organs, as it does the executive and legislative to executive and legislative organs..."

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^^And I still think every government official who e mailed Hillary Clinton should be arrested. Every elected official who did or said NOTHING about that situation should be impeached.

Re: Chuck Schumer/Jeff Sessions...I don't believe I heard you calling for the indictments of Hillary Clinton or Loretta Lynch. Who can tell me, HOW MANY TIMES DID SENATOR SCHUMER EMAIL SECRETARY CLINTON ON HER UNSECURED SERVER?

Claudia Tenney? Hello? When are you going to take care of this?

[BubbaGump]

Upchuck is such a joke! A career politician too he should be afraid very afraid!

[ginger]

Perhaps he should take a page out of Putins playbook..."Russia doesn't buy friendship." Maybe that's why he didn't get along with Hillary-no money for the foundation? or was there? Where is that investigation? You know you never get a second chance to make a good first impression and that Putin appeared amenable toward Donald Trump and vice versa...sorry, off point nevertheless, I'm pretty sure Donald Trump made it clear during the election season that he has been a friend to a lot of people including Chuck Schumer. I'm still beside myself that this state turned their backs on him in favor of a woman that isn't even a New Yorker.

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I guess I should have started a new topic on Sessions...The Kremlin has answered...Putin spokesman Dmitry Pescov described the reaction to the news of the Sessions' meetings as, "An emotional atmosphere leading to resistance to the idea of any U.S.-Russian policy."

 

I don't think it's an accident he used the word RESISTANCE.

[M_Sable]

Language eliminated from the FBI counterterrorism analytic lexicon by the Obama administration include, "Muslim, Islam, Muslim brotherhood, Hamas and Sharia". The FBI stated they could not do anything with the Tsarnaev brothers because of this. Could President Trump please have a 90 day pause to get the field manuals back in order so we can have "EXTREME" VETTING again? Thanks.

 

note to President Trump: change to "extremist vetting"

Unfortunately Ginger, the change to the lexicon was published in early 2008, during the Bush administration.

 

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/127.pdf

 

The intellegence community still uses those terms in analytic products, as long as they are used in an objective manner.

 

Not your fault so much. The problem is that the partisan talking heads on both media extremes lie or fail to vett their sources, and then the BS just spreads.

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I'm bumping this thread up in case anyone is wondering what I'm referring to in the other two threads.

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Thanks for posting Bing...I'm reading Hanens opinion right now....first footnote (see I learned that on TV, always read the footnotes ), just a summary...two weeks prior to rendering opinion a Brownsville college student had been kidnapped at gunpoint and forced to transport a HUMAN TRAFFICKER and his VICTIM who just crossed the Rio Grande. Back to reading...and yes I'm going back to Lemon but I like to read the opinions myself and I can't seem to find anything but summaries.

BTW Hanen retracted that ethics punishment which was a one hour per year for 5 years ethics continuing education class. He did not name the lawyers who perpetrated the fraud upon his court which some believe he should have charged them with contempt. So, they had no punishment at all. "GEE,EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU SHOULDN'T LIE, ESPECIALLY IN COURT." Hanen quoted Miracle on 34th street!

Governor Cuomo...is human trafficking allowed in NY?

[19April1775]

Governor Cuomo...is human trafficking allowed in NY?

This is why left wing politicians shouldn't be in charge of anything. If they aren't supporting violent hate groups like the KKK and ANTIFA they are signing orders that endanger peoples lives just so they can virtue signal.

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Bumping this thread for a bunch of reference reasons. 

[ginger]

On 2/13/2017 at 10:27 AM, Bingoloid said:

 

It does, but while the President can make decisions in that arena, the scope of the options available to him are limited by the legislation granting him that power and by the Constitution. One major purpose of the hearing was to determine whether or not there was some urgent situation (it was, after all, an emergency hearing) that would do some significant harm if Trump wasn't allowed to proceed immediately. As they noted, the President shares secret information with the courts routinely as needed: ICE and DHS may have the ear of the President, but the President, seeking the stay, had the ear of the courts and was given a chance to say whatever they thought needed to be said.

 

Why, exactly, is this an emergency? Why, exactly, did you drag us all onto this conference call? Show us. Right now. You came prepared for court today?

 

Actually listening to the oral arguments as the judges get more frustrated at their time being wasted and the Department of Justice lawyers flailing, complete with long pauses while they frantically shuffle through papers and stall for time but still come up with vague, Trumpian answers "...there's lots of cases...it's well-established...", is instructive. It's like listening to a truck stuck in the mud where the driver just hasn't quite admitted that he's stuck yet and keeps switching gears and hitting the gas, but nothing is happening.

 

 

Since the Supreme Court has frequently held that immigration policy is reviewable and this has been going on for over a century, and since states run by conservatives have been turning to the courts for the same relief from liberal immigration policy, too, it would appear that this is a fringe interpretation that cannot be reconciled with the way things work. We can argue about how many angels the Framers might have believed could dance on the period at the end of the Postal Clause until we're all dead, but then there's an actual body of actual constitutional law that is controlling in the actual situation. At a certain point, "decade upon decade" is just "reality".

 

There is not some viable faction out there seeking to overturn Marbury v. Madison, and it certainly isn't going to happen here. You've got the same chance of successfully making that argument as you do getting out of paying your income tax with legal advice you got from Sovereign Citizen brochures.

 

 

Since the 9th Circuit didn't rule on the executive order at all, it really is. Nobody has declared Trump's order unlawful, only that the temporary restraining order stands because the questions raised in the suit are reasonable enough to justify freezing the situation in place until it's heard out.

 

Apparently, temporary restraining orders are ordinarily not appealable at all. (After all, it's going to go to trial and be resolved at that time anyway.) They seem to have given the Department of Justice a very fair-minded opportunity to make their case. The Department of Justice just didn't have what they needed to make it work. (Sad!)

Bumping the thread again for obvious reasons..

Could Jason Garner get restraining orders preventing illegal aliens from being shipped to Broome County?

And how about that City of Binghamton, "welcoming" resolution?

 

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Well here we are. The 2017 nonbinding Welcoming resolution. Meanwhile, Jason Garner has issued a State of Emergency regarding the illegal aliens and Rockland County has a restraining order against the City of New York.

What is it...84% of our students live below the poverty line and only 24% of grades 3-9 can read?

I insist all of the big mouths that wanted this legislation, put their money where their mouth is. Open the doors to your own damn house. You made a big deal out of it 6 years ago...now it's time to FIND OUT.

I'm going to try to find the actual resolution and see if perhaps a mistake was made regarding the language, which may BIND the City of Binghamton in a court of law making your resolution enforceable.

I'm also going to pass this along to Kathy Hochul and Eric Adams because I'm sure their lawyers are smarter than me.

https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/new-york/2017/02/22/immigrant-and-refugee-resolution-passes-city-council/98249472/

 

lol, Orange man bad....till it comes to YOUR neighborhood. Orange man bad till it hits YOUR wallet.

Oh, now we can't afford to have principles? What was your first clue, Jason?

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I might also mention, the city Of Newark NJ has a restraining order against NYC for transporting their homeless people across state lines.

Give me a few to find that resolution...I know it's on here somewhere.

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I did not find the actual Welcomng Resolution of 2017 document. I looked here and on the city website and of course google,

I did find a quote from WNBF stating we're obligated to " support immigration services, including programs directed by the ACA."

That sounds binding to me. Where are the protestors? 

Where are the people who supported this legislation and why aren't they protesting Jason Garners executive order which prohibits hotels, motels, and shelters from making arrangements to house "migrants"?

Is that even legal? Telling a private entity who they can contract with?

Basically, his order prevents the transportation of undocumented foreigners across the county line, but when Trump tried to do the same thing you had a fit and adopted this resolution.

FAFO   

 

[ginger]

Residents are filing a lawsuit against the City of Chicago for opening up an old school to house 250 to 500 illegal aliens.

Their elder woman  states black people are being "red lined, Jim crowed, pushed out." She states it's a safety issue because these people have been in wars. Lol...

She also states the school isn't zoned for residential and they wanted it for a community or youth center. They are also mad the aliens are getting Carte Blanche benefits.

Elections have consequences. They voted for this. They voted for open borders, they voted for Biden and continue to vote Democrat. 

 

 

 

[Solak Supporter]

2 hours ago, ginger said:

Residents are filing a lawsuit against the City of Chicago for opening up an old school to house 250 to 500 illegal aliens.

Their elder woman  states black people are being "red lined, Jim crowed, pushed out." She states it's a safety issue because these people have been in wars. Lol...

She also states the school isn't zoned for residential and they wanted it for a community or youth center. They are also mad the aliens are getting Carte Blanche benefits.

Elections have consequences. They voted for this. They voted for open borders, they voted for Biden and continue to vote Democrat. 

 

 

 

These are not our grandparents’ and great grandparents’ generation of immigrants. They wanted to be Americans, they wanted to learn English, and were encouraged to do so.

Today’s “asylum seekers” - a deceptively sanitized and dishonest characterization- are encouraged the opposite by rabid leftist America haters bent on balkanizing this country in order to destroy it.

Every sensible community should be seeking court injunction to hold down the fort until Trump comes to the rescue.

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Well I also read this morning hundreds of buses have been leaving Texas with destinations all over the country. The film I saw, the buses were white. 

If it's our county's intent...I  guess the State police and Sherrifs should have staff posted on the borders. Perhaps our staff should be having discussions with Massachusetts and Vermont since you have to go through NY to get there.

If it's their position they don't want people entering their states, maybe they'd be amenable to sharing the cost of extra staff to turn them back or escort them through.

Governor Hochul doesn't have a plan. To quote Jaws, it appears she's going to ignore this particular problem till it bites her in the ass.