M_Sable Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Unfortunately he was "apparently" a high roller...comped rooms and other free benefits just to come gamble. Not too hard for him to get a room of his choice. He seems to have done a dry run previously as well at another venue. Initial assessment is that he was an anti-government lone wolf terrorist, based on a number of indicators, including his chosen home location in Mesquite. Lots will come out as this goes along. Mostly speculation at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Yeah... quite frankly, for most hotels I've stayed in, I could probably disassemble a car, move it into a hotel room piece by piece, and re-assemble it... with no one having even the slightest inkling that something was up. Anyone who thinks it would be difficult to move a couple dozen guns into a room hasn't stayed at a hotel recently. Correctomundo, OTR. Once in, you can go down to the parking garage any time of day or night and bring stuff up. All ya need is a duffle bag and awareness of where the surveillance cameras are. Parking appropriately helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 We are talking a Las Vegas casino where they are sophisticated enough to detect a card counter trying to rip them off and some guy brings in 23 guns with thousands of rounds of ammunition and noone notices for 5 days? 5 days!? Room service, hello? Casino surveillance is VERY sophisticated at protecting their 💰... not so much at anything else proactively. They did respond quickly when the 💩 hit the fan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB 2 Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I just heard on Fox he may have been there with another woman and he may have tried to target 2 fuel tanks at a nearby airport. BTW, I noticed he shaved his head...sound familiar JB? Another thing sounds familiar. Another person known to be with him just disappears. Kind of like Hasans building manager claiming Hasan had a visitor for the first time the day of his "workplace violence" acts. Or McVeigh being heard arguing in a motel room with some foreign sounding visitor. Or ....... . Too many incidents with unresolved questions left after investigation ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaGump Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I just love the reads here on the experts! What don't you solve all these issues for us? You could be known world wide ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB 2 Posted October 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I just love the reads here on the experts! What don't you solve all these issues for us? You could be known world wide ! Well, in the case of myself it is relaxing to think about why some things do not make sense to me. A hobby of sorts. Often some of my questions are asked here and replies are helpful. But there is no way in hell I would put in writing some of the things I come up with Maybe an example would explain better. Question; For a seemingly camera shy man is it coincidence a recent photo of him is taken by someone with what looks like LV in background? Question; Where did the security guy get shot before leading Police to room? See? Great Hobby to keep the mind active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I just love the reads here on the experts! What don't you solve all these issues for us? You could be known world wide ! Oh Bubba I'm just speculating for the sake of conversation and to wrap my little mind around yet another bizarre event. I heard he may have scoped out Fenway Park and some place in Chicago. They stated he made reservations but was a no show. That would nix my theory of being an aggrieved guest of Mandalay Bay however...who doesn't make reservations without perhaps a view in mind? Ocean front property? I'm thinking about NYC or Plymouth for Thanksgiving so of course the first hotels I would look at would be on the parade route. (unfortunately, Plymouths parade is the weekend before but I've always wanted to do Thanksgiving at Plimoth Plantation...this is going to be my first Thanksgiving EVER without my own (blood related) family. In fact after mom leaves for sunny FLA that leaves me here. What's that saying about the last one to leave turning off the lights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Prediction: It was Islamic terrorism and he made a tape for ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 ^I thought it was reported he was going to try or made plans to escape/get away? I was thinking more along the lines of an Eric Frein type individual. How much practice would one need to learn to use that bump fire stock? Where did he practice that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 ^I thought it was reported he was going to try or made plans to escape/get away? I don't dispute that. And what is up with explosives in his possession matching the fingerprint of explosives used in a New York City bombing a year ago? Explosive possessed by Stephen Paddock may have been used in NYC bombing https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/explosive-possessed-by-stephen-paddock-may-have-been-used-in-nyc-bombing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Tannerite? Wasn't that the substance used for the huge Owego? explosion that left a hole? Where is that thread? post edit-In the 80's Paddock worked for one of the companies that later formed Lockheed Martin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Gander Mt. sold Tannerite until they closed up two months ago. It's not uncommon. Here you go. The UPS guy will drop it right off at your door. Not even considered HazMat. http://adrenalineworld.com/tannerite-propack-20-1-2-lb-exploding-target-20pk-pp20/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlN6ngcnc1gIVh1mGCh0A4g7zEAkYBSABEgLt2_D_BwE It's far less dangerous than the 20 lb propane cylinder on your gas grill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle Festus Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Gander Mt. sold Tannerite until they closed up two months ago. It's not uncommon. Here you go. The UPS guy will drop it right off at your door. Not even considered HazMat. http://adrenalineworld.com/tannerite-propack-20-1-2-lb-exploding-target-20pk-pp20/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlN6ngcnc1gIVh1mGCh0A4g7zEAkYBSABEgLt2_D_BwE It's far less dangerous than the 20 lb propane cylinder on your gas grill. Could you please tell me why you call yourself "Former Someone"? Why the heck aren't you still someone? I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I resigned from my former position of local semi-notoriety. Now I am just somebody. That, and it was a UserID which wasn't used already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Gander Mt. sold Tannerite until they closed up two months ago. It's not uncommon. Here you go. The UPS guy will drop it right off at your door. Not even considered HazMat. http://adrenalineworld.com/tannerite-propack-20-1-2-lb-exploding-target-20pk-pp20/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlN6ngcnc1gIVh1mGCh0A4g7zEAkYBSABEgLt2_D_BwE It's far less dangerous than the 20 lb propane cylinder on your gas grill. Right on. People are saying the Sheriff in Vegas wrongly used that term, the more I research. That in turn caused news agencies to wrongly use it. The basic premise is intact. They found the same signature in explosives he had with explosives used in the NYC bombing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I stole this quote from the interwebs... "How is it that we can see a video of Ray Rice beating up his wife but there is absolutely zero CCTV footage from Mandalay Bay?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Ok haters, debunk this, big time proof more than one shooter was involved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWa23FvdXk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I just love the reads here on the experts! What don't you solve all these issues for us? You could be known world wide ! Easy there Bubba... nobody on here is an expert... Washington DC is full of experts that don't know shit from Shinola. We are just talking, albiet on a Forum. Lighten up and be you. If you have an opinion, blow it out there. Just make sure that you are expressing your point of view without belittling others. That gets nobody nowhere. BTW, I'm glad that you're here. If we all agreed, it would be Stepford Wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Ok haters, debunk this, big time proof more than one shooter was involved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWa23FvdXk Quite possibly. Why not wait until the investigation is complete? Lot's of people complian about fake news and the mainstream media, and then jump up and down when they find remote "news" sources that reinforce their preconcieved notions. This will take a long time to figure out. At this point if you are spouting conclusions, you are full of crap. Sorry '75, you are jumping the shark here. Wait and see, then say your piece with something substantial. Patience is a virtue. Of course, you can attribute it all to some "deep state" conspiracy theory. Knock yourself out with that one. The Intelligence Community is not that smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Quite possibly. Why not wait until the investigation is complete? Lot's of people complian about fake news and the mainstream media, and then jump up and down when they find remote "news" sources that reinforce their preconcieved notions. This will take a long time to figure out. At this point if you are spouting conclusions, you are full of crap. Sorry '75, you are jumping the shark here. Wait and see, then say your piece with something substantial. Patience is a virtue. Of course, you can attribute it all to some "deep state" conspiracy theory. Knock yourself out with that one. The Intelligence Community is not that smart We are always lied to with these things. The official narrative keeps changing. The FBI was so politicized during Obama there is no reason to trust them anymore. Not the rank and file, the upper management who actually control the narrative we get. It is a pack of lies right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19April1775 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 DO'NT TELL ME THEY ARE'NT HIDING SOMETHING! Holy Cow – The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video… Posted on October 9, 2017 by sundance Well, well, well… the entire previous weeks claims about the timeline and structure of Stephen Paddock and how he carried out the Mandalay Bay Massacre just changed a full 180 degrees today when Sheriff Joseph Lombardo dropped a statement that Paddock did not begin shooting until his advanced preparation was interrupted by Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus “Jose'” Campos. According to the latest stunning revelation by Sheriff Lombardo, security guard Campos was responding to a door alarm notification, presumably from a fire exit door being opened by suspect Paddock on the 32nd floor. Upon reaching the floor, Campos noticed the hotel room suite door was ajar, and heard the sound of drilling (he didn’t knock). Paddock was drilling a hole in a door (“adjacent room”) when Campos walked in at 9:59pm. That’s when Paddock opened fire on Campos wounding him in the leg. Immediately thereafter is when Stephen Paddock broke out the windows and opened fire on the crowd below. This latest revelation is explosive because it shows Paddock was interrupted in the act of preparing for the attack, and not during the commission of the attack itself. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/09/holy-cow-the-official-mandalay-bay-massacre-narrative-just-completely-changed-latest-presser-video/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerSomeone Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't understand why that would be "explosive news". Sounds like it is a good thing Paddock was interrupted by a security guard doing a good job. Whatever his plan was it was likely for worse mayhem. Maybe the investigators should stop making statements with incomplete data - trying to be transparent to the public. This is what happens when you don't have a coordinated media liaison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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19April1775 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't understand why that would be "explosive news". Sounds like it is a good thing Paddock was interrupted by a security guard doing a good job. Whatever his plan was it was likely for worse mayhem. Maybe the investigators should stop making statements with incomplete data - trying to be transparent to the public. This is what happens when you don't have a coordinated media liaison. I think what is happening is there is so much cell phone footage and there are definitely Patriots on the inside that are sick of seeing all the lies they are telling us and it is making them have to change their story to stay out in front of the Patriots and all the footage that keeps emerging. These aren't the old days anymore. You better be honest right up front or you will be made to look like a fool. I'll stick with my prediction. They are trying to cover up something and not doing a good job at it. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I don't understand why that would be "explosive news". Sounds like it is a good thing Paddock was interrupted by a security guard doing a good job. Whatever his plan was it was likely for worse mayhem. Maybe the investigators should stop making statements with incomplete data - trying to be transparent to the public. This is what happens when you don't have a coordinated media liaison. I dunno...in my experience in law enforcement you don't comment on anything until all is said and done. Let the media rant and rave and speculate....silence drives them crazy. Who was that short little greasy guy with the PS&B in the late '70's, early 80's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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