Guest Redumblican Teabagger Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 They want to bring it down and fundamentally change it. I read that on the internet too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's Sunday night. I spent the weekend out with loved ones but now I'm winding down before the new week begins. I'm in my home office, preparing for tomorrow, but I actually happen to enjoy talking to people on here. What, am I not supposed to enjoy that? Shouldn't you be out with the protesters instead of posting on here? I agree. I've had to move to find work before. Lots of people do it more than once in their lives. Did I say that? That's because I don't think it's a bad idea. You didn't ask me. From what I've seen, yes, a lot of them do. Others want to start a trade war with China, which is just brilliant. Sure, let's talk about construction. Rebuilding America sounds great to me, but once the money is spent, what are all of these construction workers going to do? Are we going to just keep building more bridges and highways even once we've got all the infrastructure we need, pave the whole world? Government infrastructure spending is a reasonable short-term measure, but that's what it is. Short-term. When it's over, there will be a lot of kids who picked up tools for those trades and will now have nothing to work on and will never have known anything else, which is right where we are now. Is that really a solution? They'll still have to retrain and go do something else when it's over. Quite honestly, if the unemployment rate for construction workers is nearly twice as high as it is for everyone else (and it is), you have to be asking yourself some questions about whether or not this is really the field you need to be in. I know for a fact that the only thing keeping unemployment as low as it is for construction workers is that many have already stopped identifying as construction workers, going back to school to learn how to do something else. I've taken jobs that had nothing to do with my current profession here and there, when it was necessary, sometimes at lower pay than I was accustomed to, and I learned a lot from them. I may have to completely change trades again some day, or work nights, or do whatever I have to do so that I don't get trapped. It's not easy, but that's life. That's what people do. If your explanation for why "capitalism doesn't work" is that you're a construction worker and there's no construction work around here, you need to ask yourself what that means. Maybe, instead, the world is sending you a memo that you're needed for something else or somewhere else, and maybe that's the best thing for you, because right now, when local buildings burn down, nobody cares. We're lucky if they even bother to knock them over. You may be waiting for the rest of your life for the local construction market to turn around, so maybe the system is working perfectly by signalling that you may want to think about making some changes. I thought I was pretty clear about that in this post and in others. Nobody wants to retrain when their job disappears, but if you want to keep working, you just do it and get it over with. I'm relatively expert with some tools that are falling by the wayside, so I've already taken the initiative to start training on the new ones. That's just what you have to do, and manufacturing faces a similar situation. I've lived in this area for the better part of a decade. That's nearly ten years of listening to people talk about how helpless they are without the "good" assembly line jobs and how they think this country "doesn't make anything anymore". The fact is, American factories produce twice as much as they did in 1975. We just buy so much more than we used to that we're now importing a lot more, as well. Those American factories, despite needing far fewer people thanks to new industrial technologies, still can't find enough skilled workers to run their equipment. The problem is that the people who used to be able to walk in off the street and get a job on an assembly line still want that. Those days are gone forever, and they're even disappearing in China. Modern factories rely on technology, on computers, and the workers have to know how to run them when they start. Some manufacturers have realized that this is a problem and are investing as much as six figures in retraining individual workers, but if you can't land that gig, what can you do? You can either be bitter and unemployed, mumbling about how it's all China's fault (and for people who spent years manning the same machine thinking it would last forever, I can understand how tempting that is), or you can do what you need to do to get the training you need to get back to work. That might be in a modern factory or it might not be in a factory at all. I agree completely. A lot of people were taken advantage of. However, why would you trust a salesman to tell you what you should buy, knowing that his job depends on how much he can get you to spend? It's awful, but what do you want? If you don't do your own homework before you buy a car, you're going to get ripped off there, too. The salesman isn't going to give you your money back. That's why people are constantly warned not to go in unarmed. I don't know why anyone would think a home loan from a mortgage broker is somehow magically safer and friendlier than an auto loan from a car dealer. I made very deliberate choices to get where I am. After I had a few years of work under my belt and decided to go back to school, I didn't just study whatever sounded fun like some of these kids do, I did all the research I could on which majors were actually valuable and would help me get a job. I read every book and trade journal I could find, learned business principles from my elective credits and on my own time to make sure I knew what I was doing and had something to offer to my employers. Luck didn't have a thing to do with it. All things considered, I was a pretty damn unlucky kid. Look, it's not that I don't care about people who are facing genuine hardship. I believe in the American dream and I do think everybody should have fair run at a good life. I think it's harder than it needs to be for some people, including me. It's just that I'm seeing a lot of people in these protests who haven't done everything they can before giving up and claiming it's impossible. I've made some mistakes, but I've carved what I have out with a hammer and chisel, and I did it here. It's possible, so I'm not real warm towards people who tell me it's not. I've watched plenty of those types be handed opportunities and knowingly crap on them. we are asking for the opportunities to be able to do the same. your doing great congratulations. thats all i got from your rant. you worked hard, great! the point is and always has been the opportunities to work hard are not there, simply put. no matter how much you throw you LUCK around you cant change the fact that jobs have disappeared, the middle class has gotten poorer, the rich have gotten richer, top execs that that have high sales get millions in bonuses and pay their employees 8$ a hour to build the shit. you cant dispute any of that. but you sit their and say "go work hard i did! a few years ago" ...THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO THINGS ARE WORST. we cant work hard because there are no jobs out there that will cover rent food gas, clothes, books, and tuition. so remember when you flaunt your success and handwork to these people, remember that times are different, and thats all we want to do anyway, work hard and have the opportunity to live the american dream. 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Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 All these protesters want is the destruction of capitalism. As if they will be better off under other systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 we are not, and never have been, a country that practices true capitalism. for anyone to suggest we are is ridiculous. bailouts and capitalism cannot exist in the same system. airlines, auto, banks etc.... try cracking a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howdy Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 You people should move down by the DSS building, you would fit in better with the rest of the bums. While your at it, rent a porta potty! I know one of you took a dump in the stair well at the parking ramp. I had to step around it going to WORK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 we are asking for the opportunities to be able to do the same. your doing great congratulations. thats all i got from your rant. you worked hard, great! the point is and always has been the opportunities to work hard are not there, simply put. no matter how much you throw you LUCK around you cant change the fact that jobs have disappeared, the middle class has gotten poorer, the rich have gotten richer, top execs that that have high sales get millions in bonuses and pay their employees 8$ a hour to build the shit. you cant dispute any of that. but you sit their and say "go work hard i did! a few years ago" ...THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO THINGS ARE WORST. we cant work hard because there are no jobs out there that will cover rent food gas, clothes, books, and tuition. so remember when you flaunt your success and handwork to these people, remember that times are different, and thats all we want to do anyway, work hard and have the opportunity to live the american dream. Exactly how old are you? When were you born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 you don't even know what capitalism is. you certainly know nothing of other systems. keep blabbing though. it makes you feel important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 we are not, and never have been, a country that practices true capitalism. for anyone to suggest we are is ridiculous. bailouts and capitalism cannot exist in the same system. airlines, auto, banks etc.... try cracking a book. Conservatives don't like non fiction books. Science either. Most of them don't even know squat about the founding of our country. They're just a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do than tune into Fox News and be programmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Conservatives don't like non fiction books. Science either. Most of them don't even know squat about the founding of our country. They're just a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do than tune into Fox News and be programmed. Fox News. The only channel that doesn't cheer lead for Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Conservatives don't like non fiction books. Science either. Most of them don't even know squat about the founding of our country. They're just a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do than tune into Fox News and be programmed. Like this kind of science libtard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 It says it all that they had a moment of silence for Steve Jobs. A guy who started a business in a garage and became one of the most successful and rich in our country. All the while, texting to each other on their iphones. They are so stupid that they don't see the hypocricy. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 you don't even know what capitalism is. you certainly know nothing of other systems. keep blabbing though. it makes you feel important. your living it. greed, money, and power. thats capitalism. if you think otherwise your either a capitalistic cronie or extremely naive. hoard all the wealth until we collapse I.E depression, then we give in to a little socialism and do the whole cycle again...if we're lucky. The only difference is my generation doesn't want to have this fight in another 40 years, We want DEMAND equality for all and forever, we want an america that allows us to live the dream, have children and pass on a better America then we had. isn't that the goal anyway? 1 depression 1 more on the way record housing foreclosures ex middle class citizens living in hooverville sorry "tent cities" 2 record inequality gaps ALL IN LESS THEN 100 YEARS = Capitalism doesnt work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 ALL IN LESS THEN 100 YEARS = Capitalism doesnt work Explain the failure of European socialism and communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Explain the failure of European socialism and communism. Easy. That was destroyed by US capitalism. The U.S. financial crisis quickly spread worldwide given the interconnectedness of the global economy in trade, finance and investments ie Wall Street. Communism? What country in Europe is communist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 your living it. greed, money, and power. thats capitalism. if you think otherwise your either a capitalistic cronie or extremely naive. hoard all the wealth until we collapse I.E depression, then we give in to a little socialism and do the whole cycle again...if we're lucky. The only difference is my generation doesn't want to have this fight in another 40 years, We want DEMAND equality for all and forever, we want an america that allows us to live the dream, have children and pass on a better America then we had. isn't that the goal anyway? 1 depression 1 more on the way record housing foreclosures ex middle class citizens living in hooverville sorry "tent cities" 2 record inequality gaps ALL IN LESS THEN 100 YEARS = Capitalism doesnt work You are psychotic. At best. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Easy. That was destroyed by US capitalism. The U.S. financial crisis quickly spread worldwide given the interconnectedness of the global economy in trade, finance and investments ie Wall Street. Communism? What country in Europe is communist? haha i was about to go there, you said it before i could. ...next @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 You are psychotic. At best. @ i see that's the only proof you could provide that capitalism does work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 it is only capable of repeating what it is told to think @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Basically, these bug infested occupiers want other people's money they think they are owed. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redumblican Teabagger Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Basically, these bug infested occupiers want other people's money they think they are owed. LOL. I read that on the internets too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 we are asking for the opportunities to be able to do the same. your doing great congratulations. thats all i got from your rant. you worked hard, great! the point is and always has been the opportunities to work hard are not there, simply put. no matter how much you throw you LUCK around you cant change the fact that jobs have disappeared, the middle class has gotten poorer, the rich have gotten richer, top execs that that have high sales get millions in bonuses and pay their employees 8$ a hour to build the shit. you cant dispute any of that. but you sit their and say "go work hard i did! a few years ago" ...THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO THINGS ARE WORST. we cant work hard because there are no jobs out there that will cover rent food gas, clothes, books, and tuition. so remember when you flaunt your success and handwork to these people, remember that times are different, and thats all we want to do anyway, work hard and have the opportunity to live the american dream. You DO have the same opportunity to succeed. You just don't care to put in the time and energy. You would rather others do the heavy lifting and then give you money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 your living it. greed, money, and power. thats capitalism. if you think otherwise your either a capitalistic cronie or extremely naive. hoard all the wealth until we collapse I.E depression, then we give in to a little socialism and do the whole cycle again...if we're lucky. The only difference is my generation doesn't want to have this fight in another 40 years, We want DEMAND equality for all and forever, we want an america that allows us to live the dream, have children and pass on a better America then we had. isn't that the goal anyway? 1 depression 1 more on the way record housing foreclosures ex middle class citizens living in hooverville sorry "tent cities" 2 record inequality gaps ALL IN LESS THEN 100 YEARS = Capitalism doesnt work It may be broke but it is still the better than any other system out there. Or have I missed the reports of hundreds of thousands of people trying to sneak into China to better their lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 It may be broke but it is still the better than any other system out there. Or have I missed the reports of hundreds of thousands of people trying to sneak into China to better their lives? haha china has border control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 You DO have the same opportunity to succeed. You just don't care to put in the time and energy. You would rather others do the heavy lifting and then give you money. And you know this how? Someone told you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 It may be broke but it is still the better than any other system out there. Or have I missed the reports of hundreds of thousands of people trying to sneak into China to better their lives? America is the greatest country in the world i never once doubted that. this still the place where all things are possible. even a revolution to restore equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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