The First Pope???????????

[A Faithful Catholic]

Nowhere does Scripture state that in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops, or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

 

 

 

AFC, the above is the absolute truth and you cannot refute it with with your lies.

 

 

Oh, I can refute it alright. You see the Catholic Church DID NOT come out of the BIBLE. You heretics just don't get that. The Catholic Church EXISTED before one quill was put to parchment. In fact the early Christians were ALREADY celebrating the Eucharist even before the first Gospel was written. These are the pure facts.

 

You are only coming from a SOLA SCRIPTURA stance, which is a heresy. Why? Because it ignores EVERYTHING the Apostles DID and STARTED before scripture was written down....

 

Catechism:

 

1087 Thus the risen Christ, by giving the Holy Spirit to the apostles, entrusted to them his power of sanctifying:10 they became sacramental signs of Christ. By the power of the same Holy Spirit they entrusted this power to their successors. This "apostolic succession" structures the whole liturgical life of the Church and is itself sacramental, handed on by the sacrament of Holy Orders.

 

10 Cf. Jn 20:21-23

 

. . . continued in apostolic succession

 

77 "In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority."35 Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."36 (The Catholic and Orthodox Churches have this-AFC)

 

78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes."37 "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."38

 

79 The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."39

 

 

 

Sola scriptura is a heresy and those words you copy have nothing to do what took place in those days.

[Guest Geez]

Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic no. Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere is his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the Gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

You guys are sooooooo stupid. Get a life you retards

[A Faithful Catholic]

You guys are sooooooo stupid. Get a life you retards

 

 

They are not "retards" but they are heretics for following heresies.

 

They always forget about the Keys to Heaven given to Peter by Christ Himself. This is "key" :lol:

[Guest Geez]

They are not "retards" but they are heretics for following heresies.

 

They always forget about the Keys to Heaven given to Peter by Christ Himself. This is "key" :lol:

Retard

[Guest Knight of Darkness]

Yes, I no longer have any doubt Chatty Catty is not mentally well. He also is not even slightly amusing anymore, he just repeats back whatever you say to him -- like a little kid on a playground. I decided to stop wasting my time on him -- there is just no sport in it anymore.

 

Not to mention he throws his dirty diapers around when things don't go his way.