Bush - "War President"

[Guest Guest]

Actually the US was doing a great deal to actually prepare itself and help other before the US was attacked. The US was actually protecting merchantmen from German U-Boats and Roosevelt thought the provocation would come from the Germans. That doesn't change the fact that the US did not join the war until we were actually attacked.

 

So you are saying that Bush and the Generals were so stupid that they could not foresee the mess we are in, that's better.

 

The right has for years claimed that the UN has no power to compel the US to do anything. Saddam could ignore the UN all he wanted and the US didn't have to do anything.

 

What military leader in the world would want to fight something as nebulous as "terrorism". You think a real military objective can be "terrorism'? Capture and destroy the organization that attacked us, invade Afghanistan because they gave al Qaeda sanctuary. Made sense and had the support of a lot of people. We could have done those things, mission accomplished. But no, we had to attack all terrorists and use the fear that engendered as a justification to attack Iraq.

 

Funny how the President has been so silent from his Bully Pulpit with all of this new information proving that Iraq was indeed a threat.

 

Drop a hydrogen bomb on Bagdad. That would have been a great legacy. It was not altogether clear that the Japanese would surrender after we dropped the bombs on them.

 

Will all of the terrorism in the world end when the Iraq can police itself? Do you mean Sunni police, Shia police or Kurdish police?

 

Bush will be criticized because he weakened America when it was at it's strongest point.

 

You must think we are better off being $9T in debt with our military exhausted.

 

 

As you proved yourself, the US was indeed involved in World War II even before Pearl Harbor. Thanks. But actually, you don't do yourself any favors by re-fighting an old war. You are mentally stuck on World War II. The War on Terror could be accurately named World War IV. The fight against the forces of Islamic fundamentalism offers few parallels with World War II.

Mess? What mess? Try reading a paper or listening to someone other than Olberdunce. Have you heard of something called a "surge"? Do you deny the progress we have made in Iraq? Why are you so intent on surrendering to the remaining Iraqi insurgents when victory is at hand? This makes no sense, unless you wish it to happen.

The US decided to enforce Resolution 1442 because it was in our interests to do so. Plain and simple. Don't you Dem/Libs worship the UN? Why would you want to see its resolutions flaunted?

The rest of your post is liberal drivel. New information? Maybe to you. Military exhausted? Hardly.

$9 trillion in debt? Funny how the War on Poverty didn't evoke the same response. By the way, how is that war going?

Bush will be praised for his liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan. When the election is held in 2008 it will be clear at that time that the war is won, that the decision to go in was right, that the opposition was disgraceful and unprincipled and that the Democrats cannot and will not defend the country.

 

[Guest Guest]

so we invaded because he did not honor the surrender agreements?

 

 

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy. Now you're starting to catch on, dude.

[Guest Guest]

But Bush. Cheney and all 16 agencies responsible for intelligence say there was no Iraq 911 connection. Are they all lying to us?

 

and I would kill a tedrroist in a second - it is just that there were not any of them in Iraq. Until we invaded anyway.

 

No one has maintained that there was a direct connection between Saddam and the 9/11 hi-jackings. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths. If you can't stick to reality, go elsewhere.

 

What is a "tedrroist"?

 

 

 

[GALVATRON]

Are you for real? or are you just being funny? Flight school outside Bagdad? come on dude - get real or get on meds.

I found that article reading dude,do you have proof the instructor of this school was lying in court,smarten up or get hetero

[Guest Guest]

I did not know that there were terrorists in Iraq before we invaded.

 

oh - there wasn't

 

No terrorists in Iraq? YOU made a funny. The Saddam regime supported terrorism as a state policy. Read more, post less.

 

[Guest Guest]

I did not know that there were terrorists in Iraq before we invaded.

 

oh - there wasn't

Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda, idiot.

What the President always said in plain English even a lefty tool should be able to read is that there was no evidence Iraq was directly involved in 911.

But lefty sock puppets are not really capable of thinking, apparently.

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy. Now you're starting to catch on, dude.

 

so it wasn't wmd as the president said - wasn't the "nuke program" that did not exist - it was not the non existant connection to 911 - it was not the non existant connection to alquida - it was not the non existant threat to the U.S.?

 

Just wanted to make certain it was clear, as every other joker on here says it was for those non existant things. Now what you are saying is it is because he did not honor the terms of surrender - correct?

 

Was it worth 2 trillion dollars? worth the loss of nearly 5000 of our soliders? was it worth the loss of over 150,000 Iraqui's? Was it worth our lost of respect of other nations in the world? Was it worth over 30,000 of our soliders being wounded? - just because he did not honor the currender agreement? Also - why did the president never ay that this was the reason for the war? he never said it was because saddam did not honor the currender agreements. Are you the only person that knows this?

[Guest Guest]

In the fever swamps of today's left, waterboarding would be preferable to admitting that there was a possibility Iraq might have played any role, no matter how small, in the 9/11 attacks. That would mean Bush was right in going to war, and his haters would rather boiled alive in oil than consider that possibility. As we all know, Iraq is the ONLY country in the world that al Qaeda never operated in.

[Guest Guest]

Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda, idiot.

What the President always said in plain English even a lefty tool should be able to read is that there was no evidence Iraq was directly involved in 911.

But lefty sock puppets are not really capable of thinking, apparently.

 

 

but Bush, Cheney, and all 16 agencies that are in chartge of intelligence say that Iraq did not support terrorists and had no 911 connection. Are they all worng? are they lying to us?

[Guest Guest]

You made a funny

 

 

Great rebuttal! Did you stay up all night thinking of it?

[Guest Guest]

but Bush, Cheney, and all 16 agencies that are in chartge of intelligence say that Iraq did not support terrorists and had no 911 connection. Are they all worng? are they lying to us?

 

 

No........they are not wrong. YOU are. They are not lying to us. YOU are. Find the quote where the administration said that Iraq did not support terrorists. Put up, or shut up.

 

[Guest Guest]

but Bush, Cheney, and all 16 agencies that are in chartge of intelligence say that Iraq did not support terrorists and had no 911 connection. Are they all worng? are they lying to us?

 

Good Lord, where do you get your information? Are you truly unaware that a considerable number of terrorists fled Afghanistan for Iraq after September 11, and that among them was Zarqawi, who, to take just one example, organized the assassination of American diplomat Laurence Foley FROM IRAQ? Obviously al Qaeda was functioning in Iraq prior to our invasion. Sheesh. Do some reading.

 

[Guest Guest]

but Bush, Cheney, and all 16 agencies that are in chartge of intelligence say that Iraq did not support terrorists and had no 911 connection. Are they all worng? are they lying to us?

 

You're a fool, a moron, a lobotomized parrot. Did you read any of the other quotes, from other newspapers, about Saddam and terrorist organizations? No one claims Saddam had an unbreakable bond with Osama, but he was a terror supporter and a terrorist himself. Maybe you should get hold of some of the survivors of his brutal regime, and listen to what they endured, while watching their loved ones get murdered by this man. Then maybe you'd wake up. I doubt it.

 

[Guest Homer]

Good Lord, where do you get your information? Are you truly unaware that a considerable number of terrorists fled Afghanistan for Iraq after September 11, and that among them was Zarqawi, who, to take just one example, organized the assassination of American diplomat Laurence Foley FROM IRAQ? Obviously al Qaeda was functioning in Iraq prior to our invasion. Sheesh. Do some reading.

 

Sheesh!! Where do YOU get YOUR information??? Notice you didn't back anything up.

[Guest Guest]

Sheesh!! Where do YOU get YOUR information??? Notice you didn't back anything up.

 

You want back up??????????? Here's some back up!

 

 

 

IRAQ TERROR LINKS

1. U.S. Grand Jury Indictment of Osama bin Laden, dated November 6, 1998:

Paragraph 4. “In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.”

http://tinyurl.com/3f2rq

2. Top secret Iraqi document dated March 28, 1992, lists Osama bin Laden as an asset of the Iraqi intelligence services.

http://tinyurl.com/ks4at

3. In 1992, Ayman al Zawahiri--who later became the Number Two in al Qaeda--visited Baghdad for a meeting with Saddam Hussein.

http://tinyurl.com/7d7hx

4. From 1999 to 2002, Saddam Hussein ran three training camps in Iraq that produced thousands of Islamic terrorists.

http://tinyurl.com/c7njm

 

5. Saddam’s intelligence service gave Ansar al-Islam money and weapons.

http://tinyurl.com/78hzj

6. Iraqi memo dated November 22, 1999, shows that Saddam Hussein’s chemists trained “Arab fedayeen” how to make IEDs.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013815.php

7. Iraqi memo dated March 11, 2001, shows that Saddam Hussein recruited suicide volunteers to attack U.S. interests.

http://tinyurl.com/gcbso

8. 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta was trained by Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal in Baghdad in July of 2001.

http://tinyurl.com/z6v4

9. Members of an Iraqi secret-police organization called Unit 999 were dispatched to camps in Afghanistan to instruct Al Qaeda terrorists.

http://tinyurl.com/ywp78r

10. Abu Nidal lived openly in Baghdad.

http://tinyurl.com/26l8m9

11. Saddam maintained a terrorist training camp at Salman Pak near Baghdad where foreign terrorists were trained how to take over commercial aircraft using weapons no more sophisticated than knives.

http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z

12. Iraq gave Abdul Rahman Yasin, a 1993 World Trade Center bombing conspirator, both money and sanctuary.

http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z

13. Abu Zubayr, an officer in Saddam’s secret police, was also the ringleader of an al Qaeda cell in Morocco. He attended the September 5, 2001 meeting in Spain with other al Qaeda operatives, including Ramzi Bin-al-Shibh, the 9/11 financial chief.

http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z

14. Iraq made direct payments to the Philippine-based al Qaeda-affiliated Abu Sayyaf group.

http://tinyurl.com/4ah6z

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Here's some more.

 

The world's most wanted man, Osama bin Laden, has been offered sanctuary in Iraq if his worldwide terrorist network succeeds in carrying out a campaign of high-profile attacks on the West..

U.S. Newswire, December 23, 1999.

Yossef Bodansky also reveals the relationship between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and how the U.S. bombing of Iraq is "strengthening the hands of militant Islamists eager to translate their rage into violence and terrorism."

The Observer. December 19, 1999.

This time last year the U.S. claimed that another delegation had met Osama bin Laden, the alleged terrorist mastermind and tried to woo him to Iraq.

United Press International. November 3, 1999

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government has tried to prevent accused terror suspect Osama bin Laden from fleeing Afghanistan to either Iraq or Chechnya, Michael Sheehan, head of counter-terrorism at the State Department, told a Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee.

Akron Beacon Journal (Ohio). October 31, 1999. Sunday 1 STAR EDITION.

The Taliban has since made it known through official channels that the likely destination (for OBL) is Iraq.

The Kansas City Star. March 2, 1999, Tuesday.

He (bin Laden) has a private fortune ranging from $250 million to $500 million and is said to be cultivating a new alliance with Iraq's Saddam Hussein, who has biological and chemical weapons bin Laden would not hesitate to use.

Los Angeles Times. February 23, 1999, Tuesday, Home Edition.

Where is Osama bin Laden? That should be the U.S.'s main priority. If as rumored he and Saddam Hussein are joining forces, it could pose a threat making Hitler and Mussolini seem like a sideshow.

National Public Radio (NPR)February 18, 1999.

According to Vincent Cannistraro, a former chief of CIA counterterrorism operations, a senior Iraqi intelligence official, Farouk Hijazi(ph), sought out bin Laden in December and invited him to come to Iraq.

Agence France Presse. February 17, 1999

Iraq's President Saddam Hussein plans to use alleged terrorist Osama bin Laden's network to carry out his threats against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, an Iraqi opposition figure charged on Wednesday.

Deutsche Presse-Agentur. February 17, 1999, Wednesday, BC Cycle

An Iraqi opposition group claimed in a published report Wednesday that Islamic militant Osama bin Laden is in Iraq from where he plans to launch a campaign of terrorism against Baghdad's Gulf neighbours.

Associated Press Worldstream. February 14, 1999

Iraq was considered a possible destination because bin Laden had received an invitation from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein last month. And Somalia was a third possible destination because of its anarchy and violent anti-U.S. history....

San Jose Mercury News. February 14, 1999

U.S. intelligence officials are worried that a burgeoning alliance between terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein could make the fugitive Saudi's loose-knit organization much more dangerous ...

More worrisome, the American officials said, are indications that there may be contacts between bin Laden's organization and Iraq's Special Security Organization (SSO), run by Saddam's son Qusay. Both the SSO and the Mukhabarat were involved in a failed 1993 plot to assassinate former President George Bush ...

Newsweek (1/11, Contreras) reported, "U.S. sources say (Saddam) is reaching out to Islamic terrorists, including some who may be linked to Osama bin Laden." ...

UPI Focus: Bin Laden 'instigated' embassy bombings

(The Taliban) government in Afghanistan says the Saudi does not have the money to finance projects in the country. Newsweek also reported that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been making new overtures to bin Laden in an attempt to rebuild his intelligence network and to create his own terror network....

 

 

 

 

NOW CHOKE ON IT, JUNIOR!

[Guest Coulter Moonbat Alert]

Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda, idiot.

What the President always said in plain English even a lefty tool should be able to read is that there was no evidence Iraq was directly involved in 911.

But lefty sock puppets are not really capable of thinking, apparently.

 

No, idiot. Saddam was supporting attacks inside of Israel by Palestinians - not al Qaeda. Two different groups. Jeebus, BCV gets new software....did bigger idiots come as part of the package??????

[Guest Guest]

Trying to get a handle on the moment, junior? Yeah, I know. Its tough playing with the big boys. Perhaps the message board at www.nickelodeon is more your speed. Good luck!

[Guest Guest]

No, idiot. Saddam was supporting attacks inside of Israel by Palestinians - not al Qaeda. Two different groups. Jeebus, BCV gets new software....did bigger idiots come as part of the package??????

 

 

Oops! I think you posted a bit too soon. Do yourself a favor and get back to filling those pot holes. I don't pay taxes to have you posting here.

 

[Guest Guest]

No, idiot. Saddam was supporting attacks inside of Israel by Palestinians - not al Qaeda. Two different groups. Jeebus, BCV gets new software....did bigger idiots come as part of the package??????

 

 

That Saddam had no time for Al Qaeda, and likewise Al Qaeda had no time for Saddam, is as central to the Leftist Moonbat faith as the words of Genesis are to monotheists. I think in Leftist scripture, you'll find the reasons Saddam hated terrorism about a page or two after George Bush offers Eve the non-organic apple.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

 

Its interesting to note that Bush never claimed a direct link between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks. What he actually said was that they had a working relationship.

 

It's also interesting to note that a Clinton-appointed Federal Judge in New York, in a 2003 ruling in a lawsuit brought by familiy members of 9/11 victims, said that he believed that an impartial trial jury WOULD find such a connection, based on the evidence presented during the trial.

 

 

Iraq had already been found complicit in the 1993 attack on the WTC, as they gave sanctuary to one of the suspects, who also had an Iraqi passport.

 

But the biggest deal-breaker for the Iraq/AQ deniers is that Bill Clinton's Justice Department, in its 1998 indictment of bin Laden, specifically cited a relationship between the two.

 

These facts won’t change the fanatical Bush haters’ minds, but they may help others understand that the only rational response to Saddam was to take him out.

 

[Guest Guest]

You're a fool, a moron, a lobotomized parrot. Did you read any of the other quotes, from other newspapers, about Saddam and terrorist organizations? No one claims Saddam had an unbreakable bond with Osama, but he was a terror supporter and a terrorist himself. Maybe you should get hold of some of the survivors of his brutal regime, and listen to what they endured, while watching their loved ones get murdered by this man. Then maybe you'd wake up. I doubt it.

 

 

Well one guy here says we invaded because saddam did not honro the surrender agreements - you are saying he supported terrorism. If it is because he supported terrorism, just about everyone has to agree that Iran, Syria, sudan, North Korea, Pakisatan, Kyrgastan, and a couple of other countries support and supported terrorism to a much higher degree than saddam. so how did we pick Iraq to invade? did we pick names out of a hat? why did we not invade the ones that support it much much more than iraq, like Iran? Iran also actually did have a nuke program*bush would not have had to lie about it). Iran also definitely has WMD - Iran and all the others actualldo give safe haven to terrorists and alquida - while Iraq did not. So why Iraq and not the others?

[Guest amazed]

this thread could be the most inaccurate body of statements i have ever seen, even for republicans. none of you know what the F you are talking about and are spewing out false information like it's water. i would suggest sane people forget trying to debate these delusional individuals. let them pat eachother on the back for seeing who the biggest moron is. these are people who listen to rush the criminal drug addict, sean hannity, laura ingraham, ann coulter and rusty humphries. that lineup alone could could fill a ward at the nuthouse.

[Guest guest]

Well one guy here says we invaded because saddam did not honro the surrender agreements - you are saying he supported terrorism. If it is because he supported terrorism, just about everyone has to agree that Iran, Syria, sudan, North Korea, Pakisatan, Kyrgastan, and a couple of other countries support and supported terrorism to a much higher degree than saddam. so how did we pick Iraq to invade? did we pick names out of a hat? why did we not invade the ones that support it much much more than iraq, like Iran? Iran also actually did have a nuke program*bush would not have had to lie about it). Iran also definitely has WMD - Iran and all the others actualldo give safe haven to terrorists and alquida - while Iraq did not. So why Iraq and not the others?

fact check.org... non biased

 

[Guest Guest]

One thing that was good about the Iraq War was that Saddams 2 sons were killed... They were going to be worse than Saddam... Those 2 were pure EVIL!!!