Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Did you read the last sentence to the post you are replying to. Not only do you need to know how to read but you must also learn how to comprehend. A prime example of the failure of retarded parents having children. Yes I did. He is the whole post I was replying to. I don't believe that you should have the right to vote unless you have a work history and can show that you pay property taxes in a school election. Renter's actually pay property taxes, indirectly. You don't think that taxes aren't figured into their rent? Probably the only ones not paying their fair share are the people like you who are on welfare. So from your post you must be using the line "what this poster has to say has no merit because he either works flipping burgers or is on welfare"? Or there is also the possibility that your comprehension isn't adequate. I guess there is the last possibility that under those rules you would lose your voting privileges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 This is simple . Renter do not pay property taxes . Get it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 This is simple . Renter do not pay property taxes . Get it ? Yes they do. It's included in their rent. And no I am not a renter or landlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 You sir, are an idiot . Get some help . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lucy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I am a teacher. I love my job. I love snow days. I am one of those teachers hoping for a snow day on facebook! "Wear your white socks!" "Put an ice cube in the toilet!" It's all in fun. When I don't get one, I go to work smiling, happy to be there. When I get a snow day, I am sudddenly a little kid again, waiting for the name of my district to cross the screen. There is always a big "WOO HOO!" in our house when we see ours cross the screen, and we get excited for friends in other districts that are closed as well. I am happy and grateful for a snow day because it means a day home with my son. It's a gift. However, in our excitement, I take a moment to think of all the people who must make it in to work- my parents, my best friend, my brothers, and the countless others who are strangers- and I say a little prayer that they all get to their destinations safely. Next time we have a snow day, my son and I will cheer and high five before we enjoy our special day together, but when we say our little prayer, I will be sure to include all of you- especially those of you who are so nasty. I pray you get to your destinations safely, and I pray you find something positive that you can focus your time energy on, instead of being so angry about my extra day home with my son. Before I go, I want to thank you, the taxpayer (snow day haters and supporters alike)- Thank you for my snow day. I truly am grateful for the extra time with my young son, and so thankful for those of who do not have to venture out in the inclement weather- mostly my son and mystudents (especially those who walk a mile!). I wish you didn't have to. I wish you were as lucky as me. Just wanted you to know that. PS- Please go easy when you bash my comments. Do you really need to be so nasty? PPS- I do not get free pens. I get a small budget for the year and the rest (usually the equivalent of a mortgage payment)comes out of my pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I am a teacher. I love my job. I love snow days. I am one of those teachers hoping for a snow day on facebook! "Wear your white socks!" "Put an ice cube in the toilet!" It's all in fun. When I don't get one, I go to work smiling, happy to be there. When I get a snow day, I am sudddenly a little kid again, waiting for the name of my district to cross the screen. There is always a big "WOO HOO!" in our house when we see ours cross the screen, and we get excited for friends in other districts that are closed as well. I am happy and grateful for a snow day because it means a day home with my son. It's a gift. However, in our excitement, I take a moment to think of all the people who must make it in to work- my parents, my best friend, my brothers, and the countless others who are strangers- and I say a little prayer that they all get to their destinations safely. Next time we have a snow day, my son and I will cheer and high five before we enjoy our special day together, but when we say our little prayer, I will be sure to include all of you- especially those of you who are so nasty. I pray you get to your destinations safely, and I pray you find something positive that you can focus your time energy on, instead of being so angry about my extra day home with my son. Before I go, I want to thank you, the taxpayer (snow day haters and supporters alike)- Thank you for my snow day. I truly am grateful for the extra time with my young son, and so thankful for those of who do not have to venture out in the inclement weather- mostly my son and mystudents (especially those who walk a mile!). I wish you didn't have to. I wish you were as lucky as me. Just wanted you to know that. PS- Please go easy when you bash my comments. Do you really need to be so nasty? PPS- I do not get free pens. I get a small budget for the year and the rest (usually the equivalent of a mortgage payment)comes out of my pocket. Anyone that could come on and bash a comment like this is COLD BLOODED... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I am a teacher. I love my job. I love snow days. I am one of those teachers hoping for a snow day on facebook! "Wear your white socks!" "Put an ice cube in the toilet!" It's all in fun. When I don't get one, I go to work smiling, happy to be there. When I get a snow day, I am sudddenly a little kid again, waiting for the name of my district to cross the screen. There is always a big "WOO HOO!" in our house when we see ours cross the screen, and we get excited for friends in other districts that are closed as well. I am happy and grateful for a snow day because it means a day home with my son. It's a gift. However, in our excitement, I take a moment to think of all the people who must make it in to work- my parents, my best friend, my brothers, and the countless others who are strangers- and I say a little prayer that they all get to their destinations safely. Next time we have a snow day, my son and I will cheer and high five before we enjoy our special day together, but when we say our little prayer, I will be sure to include all of you- especially those of you who are so nasty. I pray you get to your destinations safely, and I pray you find something positive that you can focus your time energy on, instead of being so angry about my extra day home with my son. Before I go, I want to thank you, the taxpayer (snow day haters and supporters alike)- Thank you for my snow day. I truly am grateful for the extra time with my young son, and so thankful for those of who do not have to venture out in the inclement weather- mostly my son and mystudents (especially those who walk a mile!). I wish you didn't have to. I wish you were as lucky as me. Just wanted you to know that. PS- Please go easy when you bash my comments. Do you really need to be so nasty? PPS- I do not get free pens. I get a small budget for the year and the rest (usually the equivalent of a mortgage payment)comes out of my pocket. First off this thread really isn't about snow days. At least for anyone that understands teacher contracts it isn't. We know that a snow day is just a reprieve for a teacher as they have a set number of days that are defined in their contracts. For most people a teacher thread is about the costs incurred and the results coming from our local districts. You see the costs are getting pretty high and the homeowner is the main source of your income. We see the pay,time you work and benefits and then compare them to what the normal taxpayer gets from their employment. You pointed out in, your very nice post, one thing most teachers don't realize as a huge benefit,the time you spend with your family. You are at home with them most all the time that matters. Other professionals are forced to work long hours away from home and sometimes the very city/state that they reside in. You are home with your family just about any time people would like to be,weekends,summers, spring and winter breaks.You are never called into work on the weekend or late at night and your hours are usually just like clock work. This type of lifestyle should come at a cost but doesn't seem to any longer.Instead you get better pay and benefits like low cost health care and a pension that no one else provides. Obviously this has to stop because the state and taxpayer just can't afford to pay this cost any longer. Hope you and your profession understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I make 38,000... this is my thrid year and I have 72,000 in student loans. I don't understand were you get the idea that teachers make a ton of money. Yeah maybe after they put in 20 years! I would agree that pensions should go away and we should contribute to a 401k but the rest of it I couldn't disagree with more. I was making more money working for cell phone company but I'm not complaining I love my job. Do you want to make teaching a profession were nodoby wants to get into? Its getting harder and harder..... when I was in high school no matter what my parents always sided with the teacher.... nowadays it's the teacher vs. parent and student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I make 38,000... this is my thrid year and I have 72,000 in student loans. I don't understand were you get the idea that teachers make a ton of money. Yeah maybe after they put in 20 years! I would agree that pensions should go away and we should contribute to a 401k but the rest of it I couldn't disagree with more. I was making more money working for cell phone company but I'm not complaining I love my job. Do you want to make teaching a profession were nodoby wants to get into? Its getting harder and harder..... when I was in high school no matter what my parents always sided with the teacher.... nowadays it's the teacher vs. parent and student. Do you really think anyone is caring about a teacher that is making 38K a year,that is about what you're worth.They are complaining about the teachers that are making 88K doing the same thing that you are and probably no better. I feel a little sorry for you. You started teaching at a time of great change.Wages are probably going to be lower benefits will be cut and your pension will be lessened. You say that you are a 3rd year teacher and you are still behind what you were making working for a cell phone company.This means you are a lot further in debt than the 72K you mentioned. You lost all that money you could of made working and spent a further 72K that you owe now besides losing 5 years at at least 40K.So right now as your occupation trims down you are behind at least 272,000 dollars plus what ever else you lose ever year until you make up the difference between what you know make and what you were making. My guess is you never will and will have to be satisfied with the perk of working so little in you new job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 This is simple . Renter do not pay property taxes . Get it ? Yes they do. It's included in their rent. And no I am not a renter or landlord. I'm not sure how simple it is or how much how much taxes "renters" pay. Renters are not responsible for paying the taxes, they pay rent. You need to also consider Human Services (aka.. we the tax payers) may be paying their rent, medical care, food stamps and public transportation etc. Consider the average home owner who pays his own school taxes is also paying taxes for "Human Services" that pays the rent to the landlord that pays the school taxes and much more. A person that makes $150,000 that lives in an multi-unit apartment building for example a tenured Binghamton University Professor most likely doesn't much tax for our government schools. The combined budgets for Broome County Public Schools is near a half-billion dollars a year. Broome County is loosing four legislative seats and New York State has lost two congressional districts due to population decline. People are leaving, voting with their feet and who can blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I make 38,000... this is my thrid year and I have 72,000 in student loans. I don't understand were you get the idea that teachers make a ton of money. Yeah maybe after they put in 20 years! I would agree that pensions should go away and we should contribute to a 401k but the rest of it I couldn't disagree with more. It is obvious that this is only your 3rd year when you say something as stupid as that. The benefits of the job are what make it worthwhile when it comes to the "pay" side of things. You are complaining you only make that now and want to pay into your own pension as well?? Are you nuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm not sure how simple it is or how much how much taxes "renters" pay. Renters are not responsible for paying the taxes, they pay rent. You need to also consider Human Services (aka.. we the tax payers) may be paying their rent, medical care, food stamps and public transportation etc. Consider the average home owner who pays his own school taxes is also paying taxes for "Human Services" that pays the rent to the landlord that pays the school taxes and much more. A person that makes $150,000 that lives in an multi-unit apartment building for example a tenured Binghamton University Professor most likely doesn't much tax for our government schools. The combined budgets for Broome County Public Schools is near a half-billion dollars a year. Broome County is loosing four legislative seats and New York State has lost two congressional districts due to population decline. People are leaving, voting with their feet and who can blame them. It is true that the owner of the building is the one that has to pay the tax. He does in turn add that in to the rent. This is why when I said you have to show that you paid school tax I also added in that you had to show you had a job that allowed you to pay it. In other words if your rent was paid by a social service,even in part, you wouldn't be allowed to vote in a school election. It would be even better if it were that way with all elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I make 38,000... this is my thrid year and I have 72,000 in student loans. I don't understand were you get the idea that teachers make a ton of money. Yeah maybe after they put in 20 years! I would agree that pensions should go away and we should contribute to a 401k but the rest of it I couldn't disagree with more. I was making more money working for cell phone company but I'm not complaining I love my job. Do you want to make teaching a profession were nodoby wants to get into? Its getting harder and harder..... when I was in high school no matter what my parents always sided with the teacher.... nowadays it's the teacher vs. parent and student. I agree with your post 100%. A friend of mine daughter is a teacher. She's been teaching for about four years. She drives a late 90's Toyota Camary, lives in a fairley nice apartment that has been furnished with Thrift store purchases and items given to her. She is far from being 'well off'. I've seen her at her parents home, sitting there crying over things that have happened at school. But like she says teaching is something she has always wanted to do and no Middle School brat or soccer Mom is going to drive her out. I have no idea how much she earns or how much her student loans amount to, it's really none of my business. She also takes cources during the summer breaks. I don't think she will ever stop trying to learn or to better herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 It is true that the owner of the building is the one that has to pay the tax. He does in turn add that in to the rent. This is why when I said you have to show that you paid school tax I also added in that you had to show you had a job that allowed you to pay it. In other words if your rent was paid by a social service,even in part, you wouldn't be allowed to vote in a school election. It would be even better if it were that way with all elections. Interesting idea, if you don't pay school taxes you don't vote. Think about The City of Binghamton School District. Approximately 100 million dollar a year budget (keep in mind a school year is 180 days). Then consider the number of taxpayers footing the bill. I believe there is a little over 40,000 people in the city. Further reduce that figure to the number people actually paying school tax. Then take it another step by reducing it to the number of tax payers actually that have children in "the system", better described as a mechanism. That figure is alarming,it is unsustainable proven by the fact the state has to supplement the budget yearly, in a large way. One can argue all day about these budgets, it all comes down to which one or our pockets are they taking the money from. The foundation of public schools is socialism aka progressivism. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others peoples money to spend. We continue to drive business and people out of New York State, therefore less people to foot the bill and whats is the answerer? Raise taxes. Make "the rich people" pay for it. New York State has a 9 billion dollar deficit and its not the "economy stupid" its run away government spending on local,state and federal levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I agree with your post 100%. A friend of mine daughter is a teacher. She's been teaching for about four years. She drives a late 90's Toyota Camary, lives in a fairley nice apartment that has been furnished with Thrift store purchases and items given to her. She is far from being 'well off'. I've seen her at her parents home, sitting there crying over things that have happened at school. But like she says teaching is something she has always wanted to do and no Middle School brat or soccer Mom is going to drive her out. I have no idea how much she earns or how much her student loans amount to, it's really none of my business. She also takes cources during the summer breaks. I don't think she will ever stop trying to learn or to better herself. You have just described any 4 year college graduate in their first years with a job. Well except for the bettering themselves during their summer break as only teachers get that plus. The other difference is the other starting graduates had a very good chance that with this economy didn't even make it through their first 4 years. It looks like teaching may be catching up with industry soon though and we might see a few recent hires being let go if the union decides to hold ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Teachers get paid more than some because they have to get a masters degree and they have a very difficult job. Most of teachers I have been aware of work very hard and deserve more than they get in compensation. If you think they are overcompensated, then maybe you should learn more about what they do. Most people have no idea how much teachers work. Many put in a lot of hours in addition to when the kids are there and spend a lot of money out of their own pockets for classroom supplies. Try this. Think about the worst person you know. Then imagine that person has a disruptive child in your class and you have to have a parent teacher conference with them where that parent berates you and you have to remain professional. I wouldn’t be able to do it. If you’re going to pick on public servants, why don’t you pick on the fireman that seem to have much nicer houses then the teachers for doing much less or pick on the police who are being used to extort excessive amounts of money from people on the highways. Yes, there are bad teachers, but to all the good ones, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Interesting idea, if you don't pay school taxes you don't vote. Think about The City of Binghamton School District. Approximately 100 million dollar a year budget (keep in mind a school year is 180 days). Then consider the number of taxpayers footing the bill. I believe there is a little over 40,000 people in the city. Further reduce that figure to the number people actually paying school tax. Then take it another step by reducing it to the number of tax payers actually that have children in "the system", better described as a mechanism. That figure is alarming,it is unsustainable proven by the fact the state has to supplement the budget yearly, in a large way. One can argue all day about these budgets, it all comes down to which one or our pockets are they taking the money from. The foundation of public schools is socialism aka progressivism. The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others peoples money to spend. We continue to drive business and people out of New York State, therefore less people to foot the bill and whats is the answerer? Raise taxes. Make "the rich people" pay for it. New York State has a 9 billion dollar deficit and its not the "economy stupid" its run away government spending on local,state and federal levels. I believe when the country first started that is the way that they had voting on about anything. Only the people that were tasked with paying for things were able to vote...pretty novel idea. It might of been that very reason that politicians seemed to have more frugal ideals too. I believe that is why you see in areas that have a high welfare rate leaning more one way politically,it's nice to be able to vote in someone that will be voting for your next raise in benefits not having any skin in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Teachers get paid more than some because they have to get a masters degree and they have a very difficult job. Most of teachers I have been aware of work very hard and deserve more than they get in compensation. If you think they are overcompensated, then maybe you should learn more about what they do. Most people have no idea how much teachers work. Many put in a lot of hours in addition to when the kids are there and spend a lot of money out of their own pockets for classroom supplies. Try this. Think about the worst person you know. Then imagine that person has a disruptive child in your class and you have to have a parent teacher conference with them where that parent berates you and you have to remain professional. I wouldn’t be able to do it. If you’re going to pick on public servants, why don’t you pick on the fireman that seem to have much nicer houses then the teachers for doing much less or pick on the police who are being used to extort excessive amounts of money from people on the highways. Yes, there are bad teachers, but to all the good ones, thank you very much. Lets not even get into the masters degree it wasn't needed and isn't a viable degree.ANY occupation has it's drawback and all start off at a much lower pay then their mid career pay. The difference is in almost any other career the mid career job description is much different than the starting one and to even get there they have to make changes and improvements.I don't think too many people have any problems with a teachers starting pay it's the same teacher that is making 2 to 3 times that money doing the very same job years later that is troublesome.After 5 year a teachers pay should only increase with the cost of living. You must be new here if you haven't seen any threads on other public servants on this board. They all have been raked over the coals for much the same reasons.I think fireman are the number one usually on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I don't see why taxpayers have to pay a teacher $88,000/yr when you can get the same teaching for $35,000/yr . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stating the Obvious Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 All of this, 11 pages worth of complaining about teachers. You people are pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Teachers get paid more than some because they have to get a masters degree and they have a very difficult job. Most of teachers I have been aware of work very hard and deserve more than they get in compensation. If you think they are overcompensated, then maybe you should learn more about what they do. Most people have no idea how much teachers work. Many put in a lot of hours in addition to when the kids are there and spend a lot of money out of their own pockets for classroom supplies. Try this. Think about the worst person you know. Then imagine that person has a disruptive child in your class and you have to have a parent teacher conference with them where that parent berates you and you have to remain professional. I wouldn’t be able to do it. If you’re going to pick on public servants, why don’t you pick on the fireman that seem to have much nicer houses then the teachers for doing much less or pick on the police who are being used to extort excessive amounts of money from people on the highways. Yes, there are bad teachers, but to all the good ones, thank you very much. Hitting the bottle early today, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Teachers get paid more than some because they have to get a masters degree and they have a very difficult job. Most of teachers I have been aware of work very hard and deserve more than they get in compensation. If you think they are overcompensated, then maybe you should learn more about what they do. Most people have no idea how much teachers work. Many put in a lot of hours in addition to when the kids are there and spend a lot of money out of their own pockets for classroom supplies. Try this. Think about the worst person you know. Then imagine that person has a disruptive child in your class and you have to have a parent teacher conference with them where that parent berates you and you have to remain professional. I wouldn’t be able to do it. If you’re going to pick on public servants, why don’t you pick on the fireman that seem to have much nicer houses then the teachers for doing much less or pick on the police who are being used to extort excessive amounts of money from people on the highways. Yes, there are bad teachers, but to all the good ones, thank you very much. Education is not an entitlement, is required for what you do. Um, everyone believes they work hard.... Pay does not matter... That's why the general population ignores this whining argument.. I have it so bad... whine whine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 If you’re going to pick on public servants, why don’t you pick on the fireman that seem to have much nicer houses then the teachers for doing much less or pick on the police who are being used to extort excessive amounts of money from people on the highways. Police extortion and firefighters with nice houses? You have a masters degree? The City of Binghamton School Districts budget is nearly double the budget of the entire City of Binghamton. Whats the Broome County budget 350 million? The combined public school budgets for Broome county is nearly a half-billion dollars and you feel picked on? There is no greater tax burden in Broome County then public education. No reflection on teachers mostly the teachers unions and their cash rich lobby filling the campaign coffers of Albany politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Police extortion and firefighters with nice houses? You have a masters degree? The City of Binghamton School Districts budget is nearly double the budget of the entire City of Binghamton. Whats the Broome County budget 350 million? The combined public school budgets for Broome county is nearly a half-billion dollars and you feel picked on? There is no greater tax burden in Broome County then public education. No reflection on teachers mostly the teachers unions and their cash rich lobby filling the campaign coffers of Albany politicians. The education establishment is sucking the life blood out of the rest of society . In Conklin there is not even a sidewalk down the side of state route 7 . But there's a new , short , sidewalk just the length of SV . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captian Slow Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 The education establishment is sucking the life blood out of the rest of society . In Conklin there is not even a sidewalk down the side of state route 7 . But there's a new , short , sidewalk just the length of SV . Oh no, not you again. No one is going to pay for a sidewalk all the way along route 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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