Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Curious, last year when banks were paying out huge bonuses to CEO's that were bailed out by tax dollars the argument was that these CEO's had contracts. Can you tell me why it wasn't okay to tell the CEO's making millions in bonuses that their contracts were not valid right now due to their role in tanking the global economy and the subsequent bailing out of those companies with taxpayer funds, yet it's okay to tell teachers that due to giving tax breaks to wealthy individuals and corporations there is a budget "crisis" and that their contracts and their rights to collectively bargain those contracts are null and void? I mean, technically we were paying part or all of those CEO wages with bailout funds, yet they contractually still got what they had negotiated for, so why is this any different for teachers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 By Bill O'Reilly Thursday, March 3, 2011 In order to form a more perfect union, many of my ancestors joined one. My maternal grandfather was a train conductor, my paternal grandfather a New York City police officer, my uncle a fire captain in the Big Apple. Around my dinner table as a kid, working people were revered, evil corporate bosses vilified. Unions were big in Levittown, New York. And I am a union guy as well. AFTRA (the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists) has represented me for more than 30 years. And they've been good. When the King World Company tried to dodge pension payments for "Inside Edition" employees (of which I was one) in the early 1990s, AFTRA took them on and won a settlement. Without the union, we would have been hosed. But now things are different in America. Over the years, some powerful unions, representing both public and private workers, have succeeded in gaining so many benefits that the entire U.S. economy has been damaged. Many states cannot pay health and pension benefits because the tax revenue is not nearly enough to cover expenses. Also, millions of jobs formerly held by Americans are now done by Chinese and Indian people because labor is so much cheaper in those countries. Thus, we have economic warfare between the cost-cutters and the union folks who want to protect what they have. While I am absolutely sympathetic to hard working union folks, I truly understand the danger of the United States government not being able to pay its bills. Chinese investors currently own more than a trillion dollars of U.S. debt and our nation is more than $14 trillion in the red. President Obama recently put forth a budget for 2012 that would add another trillion dollars to that total. That, of course, is insane. If Chinese investors unload their U.S. investments, our economy would collapse. That is not a good place to be. In order for America to continue to drive the world's economy, we must return to a responsible spending spreadsheet, and that means union give-backs. It also means a decline in union negotiating power, especially in the public arena. Many liberal Americans continue to scream about raising taxes to bring down the debt. But that crushes economic expansion. Corporations and rich folks will only take so much taxation before they leave the building, as Elvis once did. Capitalism is a tough system. It's not touchy-feely like Sweden, where cradle-to-grave entitlements rule. But there are less than ten million Swedes, so they work it out. With more than 300 million Americans, we can't "provide" for everyone. The cold truth is that unions are on the way out. High tech means big changes in the workplace, and labor protections are not needed as much as they once were. What we are seeing in Wisconsin is the beginning of a new attitude toward the American worker. And there will be pain until we get things sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Good read. Bill O'Reilly has put the reality on paper. Very clearly stated on all points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Good read. Bill O'Reilly has put the reality on paper. Very clearly stated on all points. Still replying to your own posts? How silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 The only part Billy boy got wrong is that most corporations don't pay taxes after all their write-offs. But, look who he works for. He has to make things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 The only part Billy boy got wrong is that most corporations don't pay taxes after all their write-offs. But, look who he works for. He has to make things up. Pay taxes for what ? For you and your union comrades ? So we can lose even more jobs to overseas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 By Bill O'Reilly Thursday, March 3, 2011 In order to form a more perfect union, many of my ancestors joined one. My maternal grandfather was a train conductor, my paternal grandfather a New York City police officer, my uncle a fire captain in the Big Apple. Around my dinner table as a kid, working people were revered, evil corporate bosses vilified. Unions were big in Levittown, New York. And I am a union guy as well. AFTRA (the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists) has represented me for more than 30 years. And they've been good. When the King World Company tried to dodge pension payments for "Inside Edition" employees (of which I was one) in the early 1990s, AFTRA took them on and won a settlement. Without the union, we would have been hosed. But now things are different in America. Over the years, some powerful unions, representing both public and private workers, have succeeded in gaining so many benefits that the entire U.S. economy has been damaged. Many states cannot pay health and pension benefits because the tax revenue is not nearly enough to cover expenses. Also, millions of jobs formerly held by Americans are now done by Chinese and Indian people because labor is so much cheaper in those countries. Thus, we have economic warfare between the cost-cutters and the union folks who want to protect what they have. While I am absolutely sympathetic to hard working union folks, I truly understand the danger of the United States government not being able to pay its bills. Chinese investors currently own more than a trillion dollars of U.S. debt and our nation is more than $14 trillion in the red. President Obama recently put forth a budget for 2012 that would add another trillion dollars to that total. That, of course, is insane. If Chinese investors unload their U.S. investments, our economy would collapse. That is not a good place to be. In order for America to continue to drive the world's economy, we must return to a responsible spending spreadsheet, and that means union give-backs. It also means a decline in union negotiating power, especially in the public arena. Many liberal Americans continue to scream about raising taxes to bring down the debt. But that crushes economic expansion. Corporations and rich folks will only take so much taxation before they leave the building, as Elvis once did. Capitalism is a tough system. It's not touchy-feely like Sweden, where cradle-to-grave entitlements rule. But there are less than ten million Swedes, so they work it out. With more than 300 million Americans, we can't "provide" for everyone. The cold truth is that unions are on the way out. High tech means big changes in the workplace, and labor protections are not needed as much as they once were. What we are seeing in Wisconsin is the beginning of a new attitude toward the American worker. And there will be pain until we get things sorted out. Worth moving forward to read and discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 And what exactly do unions have to do with the fact that the Chinese hold US government debt generated by the off the books two front wars and bailout/gifts for the financial industry? I wish I could ask Bill for the source of information that shows that union benefits have damaged the entire US economy. Does Bill really think we forgot the role of the shadow financial industry beginning with ENRON in destroying pension funds which at one point were self funded. How dare American workers expect health care and a pension. Bill had grandparents in the union. I wonder how much he gets to sell his soul to the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 And what exactly do unions have to do with the fact that the Chinese hold US government debt generated by the off the books two front wars and bailout/gifts for the financial industry? The answer to your question....nothing. The union problem is with the states, not the federal government. Bailouts/gifts didn't only go to financial institutions, they went to unions too. The injection of billions of dollars of federal taxpayer money into education every year supports unions also. I wish I could ask Bill for the source of information that shows that union benefits have damaged the entire US economy. Does Bill really think we forgot the role of the shadow financial industry beginning with ENRON in destroying pension funds which at one point were self funded. How dare American workers expect health care and a pension. Those days of entitlements are coming to an end. With the introduction of the global market into our economy, and the elimination of tariffs, US corporations and businesses can't compete with foreign corporations and businesses because of our living wage, that and government rules and regulations are why they outsource. Don't blame the corporations, blame the politicians who allowed this to happen. With 20% unemployment, the private sector can no longer afford to pay for the riches demanded by public sector and teachers unions. Bill had grandparents in the union. I wonder how much he gets to sell his soul to the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinkingguest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 We do not need enemies do destroy America. 30 pages Of finger pointing and name calling! Americans on Americans - tearing each other apart. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 We do not need enemies do destroy America. 30 pages Of finger pointing and name calling! Americans on Americans - tearing each other apart. Sad Please Thinkingguest, tell me one instance where conservatives and communists co-existed peacefully. It's never happened and never will and there's nothing sad about that. Giving in to communists would be sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 We can see the result of the communist program. It has killed the USA economy. Send jobs overseas. Give new housing away for nothing. Continually raise taxes even though taxpayers have no jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Non-wage Collective bargaining is gone http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WISCONSIN_BUDGET_UNIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-09-19-45-22 The dems running away for weeks didn't solve anything. Game over for the unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 If they don't get recalled first, that will be the Reps last term in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Non-wage Collective bargaining is gone The dems running away for weeks didn't solve anything. Game over for the unions. Police and Firefighters are exempt! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLNyRdlyYU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Posted Today, 07:55 AM Next step towards chaos. More states will follow. Next police, fire and federal workers unions. If the corporation have their way we will all be at $7.25 an hour with no benefits. Hope the American people wake up before the lights go out. Oh what was that about middle class is doing good? Exxon CEO Said today that the high cost of oil and gas has had no effect on the USA economy. I guess that is true if you ride a bike or your the CEO of Exxon. Stock up on water and food for 90 days. Have some way to protect your self and the ones you love. This is going to get bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 In what Reuters is calling “a confrontation with unions that could be the biggest since then President Ronald Reagan fired striking air traffic controllers nearly 30 years ago,” the Wisconsin Senate approved a scaled-down version of Governor Scott Walker’s ® budget-repair bill last night that would rein in government union collective bargaining powers. After securing approval from three widely respected nonpartisan agencies—the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council, and the Legislative Reference Bureau—Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald removed the appropriations measures from Walker’s budget, thus eliminating the need for any of the 14 truant Democratic Senators to be present for the vote. The State Assembly will take up the new version of the bill at 11 a.m. today, and if it passes, Walker will have achieved a significant victory for taxpayers everywhere. The courage of the Wisconsin Senate conservatives cannot be understated. Before the vote, lawmakers were threatened with death and physical violence. After the vote, thousands of protesters stormed into the capitol building, ignoring announcements from police that the building was closed. Once inside, and at great risk to the public welfare, activists handcuffed some doors to the capitol shut. When security escorted the Senators to another building, a Democrat tipped off the mob, which then surrounded their cars and tried to break their windows as Senators returned home. Senate Democrats, who are still hiding in Illinois, are now claiming that the majority’s committee meeting that broke up the budget-repair bill violated Wisconsin’s Open Meetings Law. But the Open Meeting Compliance Guide clearly states that when there is “good cause,” only two hours’ notice is required. The Senate majority did provide the two hours’ notice. If the Senate Democrats’ 19-day refusal to show up for work wasn’t “good cause” enough, certainly minimizing the opportunity for union mob violence is. The passion coming from liberal activists is understandable only if one believes in their apocalyptic rhetoric. Democratic Senator Timothy Cullen said the bill will “destroy public unions.” And Senator Chris Larson has said, “collective bargaining is a civil right” that if removed will “kill the middle class.” This is all false. First of all, since unions care more about seniority than good government, public-sector unions kill middle-class jobs; they do not protect them. Second, collective bargaining is not a right. And finally, Walker’s bill will in no way “destroy public unions.” Government unions are still perfectly free to practice their First Amendment rights to freedom of association, and in fact still retain more bargaining power than all unionized federal employees. They only difference is that now they will have to actively recruit members instead of forcing government employees to join them, and they will have to collect their own dues instead of getting the state government to take them directly out of workers’ paychecks. And there are many more benefits as well. Governor Walker writes in today’s Wall Street Journal: When Gov. Mitch Daniels repealed collective bargaining in Indiana six years ago, it helped government become more efficient and responsive. The average pay for Indiana state employees has actually increased, and high-performing employees are rewarded with pay increases or bonuses when they do something exceptional. Passing our budget-repair bill will help put similar reforms into place in Wisconsin. This will be good for the Badger State’s hard-working taxpayers. It will also be good for state and local government employees who overwhelmingly want to do their jobs well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Heritage? We know how accurate and unbiased they are. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Heritage? We know how accurate and unbiased they are. LOL! They lean to the right, but are accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 They lean to the right, but are accurate. Like their deficit graph? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Like their deficit graph? Please. What was wrong with the "deficit graph"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 What was wrong with the "deficit graph"? If you don't know what a fiscal year is, it's not worth explaining to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 If you don't know what a fiscal year is, it's not worth explaining to you. Yeah.... you realize you were about to get slapped around like last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Your ignorance is boundless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Your ignorance is boundless. Whatever. I guess thats your only rebuttal. Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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