Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Public education is a cornerstone of socialism. PSB is protecting their own interests. Exactly. It's our patriotic duty to make sure all public schools are shut down and closed. Return educations the free market, families, and churches, as our Founding Fathers wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Public education is a cornerstone of socialism. PSB is protecting their own interests. Exactly. It's our patriotic duty to make sure all public schools are shut down and closed. Return education to the free market, families, and churches, as our Founding Fathers wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Part of the problem is too many administrators not doing their jobs. BOCES does the food service and now the budget but ME still has those administrators too. So Me is paying BOCES and ME administrators. The other part of the problem is the extravagant capital porject That they now have to pay for and won't be getting reimbursed by the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Van Fossen is presenting 2 choices. Option 1 cuts 56.6 positions not counting retirements. Option 2 cuts 51 positions (5.6 fewer) not counting retirements, but cuts Kindergarten and Sports. He is presenting Option 2, which he knows will not be accepted. So there is only 1 viable option, which means there are no options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest We are SPARTA! Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 notes from last nights meeting. Superintendant VanFossen> Umm , Umm I was warned repeatedly about this impending deficit from the state auditors and BOCES but I just figured if I ignored it it would go away. Always works with the wife. BOCES COO John Harvey> Yeah I'm not really sure what happened, I am just a BOCES COO, I'm not really qualified to work with million dollar budgets. Board president Ewing> Don't look at me, I have no idea what's going on, I just signed up for the power and notoriety. Where are the snacks? AD Cook> I'm thirsty, we going out after this? BEND OVER TAXPAYERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Average Joe Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 From WBNG: "The highlight of its first option includes cutting the equivalent of nearly 82 positions, and reducing music, athletics and high school courses. The board's second option includes cutting the equivalent of 76.5 positions and eliminating all athletics and kindergarten. Both plans would save just less than $4 million." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest conklindolt Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Take your medicine and Option #2. The football team can go out on top - like Elway did. But what are the options the Union will re-negotiate the current contract (for the children). From WBNG: "The highlight of its first option includes cutting the equivalent of nearly 82 positions, and reducing music, athletics and high school courses. The board's second option includes cutting the equivalent of 76.5 positions and eliminating all athletics and kindergarten. Both plans would save just less than $4 million." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Either option is better than what is there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest conklindolt Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Take your medicine and Option #2. The football team can go out on top - like Elway did. But what are the options chances the Union will re-negotiate the current contract (for the children)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Take your medicine and Option #2. The football team can go out on top - like Elway did. But what are the options the Union will re-negotiate the current contract (for the children). A steak dinner for every BCVoice reader if the M-E BOE actually picks so-called "option" #2. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yummy Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Alan Ewing would for a steak dinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Kane Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 The staus quo needs to end. The arrogant fantasy world of academia. The ME super gets a salary of 160K or thereaabouts and this is the product delivered? In the real world, he/she and the entire Board would be fired in a NY minute and justifiably so. They should be. But rest assured, of the potential 80 plus jobs to be cut, the hierarchy of administration, replete with the support staff and $50K salaried secretaries, will slither by, to be rewarded down the road in some way shape or manner under the cover of the fog of time. We've sat back to witness the system evolve/degenerate into a public union dominated I want mine fiefdom of salaries & benefits & fullblown school campuses with constant new construction and facility improvements and the taxes needed to support it all on an ever increasing upward spiral to oblivion. Now apply this to the sad reality that many of the state & local high schools are producing illiterate dummies with some (BHS) operating with graduation rates in the 50 percentile. Top dollar for a flawed product. Sounds like the downfall of the American car industry. And of course, let us not forget the fabled fairy tale world of the SUNY system where six figured salaries are the norm and the resulting six figured pensions the absolute highest pensions in the entire state. We should ALL recognize what we've done or not done. Now it's more of what are we doing or going to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Excellent post on the cult of education. About half these 80+ jobs are retired positions that will not be filled. Of course the big pensions will still need to be paid. So that leaves about 40 real positions that need to be eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Excellent post on the cult of education. About half these 80+ jobs are retired positions that will not be filled. Of course the big pensions will still need to be paid. So that leaves about 40 real positions that need to be eliminated. Pension payments come out of the NYS TRS and ERS, not from the district's budget. If there are any additional benefits, such as health care for retirees, that does come out of the budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 From WBNG: "The highlight of its first option includes cutting the equivalent of nearly 82 positions, and reducing music, athletics and high school courses. The board's second option includes cutting the equivalent of 76.5 positions and eliminating all athletics and kindergarten. Both plans would save just less than $4 million." For 82 positions to save only 4 million that would only be counting on saving 49 thousand a position.Even knowing they would be the 82 least paid positions that seems like a small amount. When you consider that 25 of that number are retiring that number seems even lower then realistic. I mean I would think a teacher that has reached the point of retirement would be costing the district over 100 thousand dollars a piece in salary and benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Doritoking Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Pension payments come out of the NYS TRS and ERS, not from the district's budget. If there are any additional benefits, such as health care for retirees, that does come out of the budget. The district's budget does include payments into ERS and TRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Can someone please tell me why no other school district is having this big a problem? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Can someone please tell me why no other school district is having this big a problem? Anyone? They had the same problems just not as big reserves to use I guess so they took care of the problems as thay came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 For 82 positions to save only 4 million that would only be counting on saving 49 thousand a position.Even knowing they would be the 82 least paid positions that seems like a small amount. When you consider that 25 of that number are retiring that number seems even lower then realistic. I mean I would think a teacher that has reached the point of retirement would be costing the district over 100 thousand dollars a piece in salary and benefits. First of all, I believe M-E provides a generous benefit plan for all their non teaching staff. Plus not all 25 people retiring are teachers, nor teachers who have reached the maximum pension factor. So $49,000 per position does sound about right when you consider $10,000 per person in medical coverage? The district will also have to pay unemployment to those laid off and that cost I would assume is a factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Everybody and their brother and sister belong to a union in the schools. See what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Can someone please tell me why no other school district is having this big a problem? Anyone? There are other schools with problems. One school has to be the first. ME is the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Does VanFossen even pay ME taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Does VanFossen even pay ME taxes? No he lives in UE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 What's the latest on this mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 What's the latest on this mess? I'll be here all day stackin' chedda from home....Let's talk some M-E school politics!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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