Maine Endwell School Board

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It's him? Really? That's hilarious! How do you go from "The Classic Rock Cafe" on KGB to the Maine Endwell school board in the midst of a 4 million dollar screw up? Who's the president of the board Howard Stern? How long has Wolf-man Jack been superintendent?

Hey Todd! Your political career is probably over or you may be heading straight to the Whitehouse...its not unprecedented.

 

This is very entertaining.

 

Hey Todd! After you find the 4 million play us some Alice Cooper!

 

[Guest Guest]

Abolish public schools. They are socialist.

[Sengui]

Abolish public schools. They are socialist.

Ok here is your 15 seconds of fame.....OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH I am so upset!

 

Feel better now? Get to bed, its a school night!

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ME laid off 6 custodians today...guys making 8 bucks an hour, that will solve their problems.

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Custodians are paid commensurate with their responsibilities, imo. Teachers, or their aides, or adminstrators and secretaries can clean the desk tops and counter tops in their class rooms.

 

Good start M-E.

[Guest Guest]

Great maybe the AD can use the money saved on another diving board

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Heck, it's about time the students had a part to keep their school environment clean too.

[Guest Guest]

Custodians are paid commensurate with their responsibilities, imo. Teachers, or their aides, or adminstrators and secretaries can clean the desk tops and counter tops in their class rooms.

 

Good start M-E.

 

However if you ask M-E teachers they will tell you they are already overworked with all the new state mandates handed down to them. However can you possibly ask them to do even more since they are so burdened already!!?!?!

[Guest Guest]

brilliant! so when any modest work is needed they'll have to bring in a contractor. what's next? bus drivers? this will appease the angry mob on the 10th.

 

 

 

ME laid off 6 custodians today...guys making 8 bucks an hour, that will solve their problems.

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Whatever cuts need to be made should be made. It's the responsible thing to do.

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Laying off guys making 8 bucks an hour....while equipment managers making 42k stay on.

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To balance their budget, I hope they can find 900 more cleaners to lay off!

[Guest Golf dog]

ME laid off 6 custodians today...guys making 8 bucks an hour, that will solve their problems.

they make $8 an hour plus a generous health and pension package that costs another $20k +.

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Do not ask for whom the bell tolls

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they make $8 an hour plus a generous health and pension package that costs another $20k +.

 

I won't be happy untill all government jobs are abolished altogether.

 

Lets start by abolishing these outrageous benefit packages. Government employees shouldn't get any benefits at all. Let them pay for their own retirement and health care like the rest of us.

[Guest disgusted taxpayer]

Laying off the six custodians two years ago when you knew of the shortfall would have made a lot more sense. Look at how much money you pissed away not doing it. VanFossen you are not fit for that job and every board member needs to be removed.

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Laying off the six custodians two years ago when you knew of the shortfall would have made a lot more sense. Look at how much money you pissed away not doing it. VanFossen you are not fit for that job and every board member needs to be removed.

 

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but two years ago VanFossen was not the superintendent and more than half of the current board members were not on the board.

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Not agreeing or disagreeing, but two years ago VanFossen was not the superintendent and more than half of the current board members were not on the board.

But they received projections regarding the district's finances at least every year. Why did they do nothing until it was too late.

 

Maybe they need to cut sports?

[Guest concerned taxpayer]

While the administration salaries are outrageous, the real problem is pensions and benefits. Until those are brought in line with the private sector EVERY school district will have budget problems.

 

Why is it that school districts refuse to put someone with a successful business background in charge? We need someone that will make decisions that are fiscally responsible. Does it make sense to put someone trained to be an English teacher in charge of a multi million dollar "business" and expect them to make good financial decisions when they have no experience doing so?

 

For the most part, I don't have a problem with teacher salaries but I have a huge problem with teacher pensions.

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But they received projections regarding the district's finances at least every year. Why did they do nothing until it was too late.

 

Maybe they need to cut sports?

 

I think that's the issue, the projections. From the letter I got it said the overestimated state aid and underestimated benefit increases.

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While the administration salaries are outrageous, the real problem is pensions and benefits. Until those are brought in line with the private sector EVERY school district will have budget problems.

 

Why is it that school districts refuse to put someone with a successful business background in charge? We need someone that will make decisions that are fiscally responsible. Does it make sense to put someone trained to be an English teacher in charge of a multi million dollar "business" and expect them to make good financial decisions when they have no experience doing so?

 

For the most part, I don't have a problem with teacher salaries but I have a huge problem with teacher pensions.

All public pensions to need be like private pensions and benefits.

[Sengui]

Here are some facts. They may help in furthering the discussion along if some information is available. There are other sources, but this is in a more explanatory form. Tier 6 did pass and is law.The changes are significant and now are fairly close to standard corporat investment based pensions. The important part the issue is being addressed. Education is only part of the NYS pension fund. Read it, you will quite surprised.

 

 

http://www.thenewyor...d-to-a-new-one/

 

As part of his proposed budget for FY 2012-13, Gov. Andrew Cuomo has called for significant changes to the pension program for state employees. His plan creates a new “tier” of pensions that would cut the state’s growing pension costs by reducing the benefits it provides to future employees. The proposal is known as Tier 6 because it would establish a sixth different benefit structure for future employees on top of the the 5 tiers of benefits already in place.

 

At the New York World, we wanted to know: What pension benefits do state workers in Tiers 1 through 5 receive? We asked Brian Curran, director of legislation and counsel for the New York State Public Employees Federation – which strongly opposes Tier 6 – to explain how the system works.

 

 

What pension plan do New York State employees belong to?

In New York, most of the employees in state government or in upstate local governments are in the state retirement system. That’s a very large pension plan, it covers about 600,000 workers.

 

What are the main differences among the tiers of benefits currently offered?

There are currently 5 tiers in the state pension plan. Tier 1 existed prior to 1973, so it affects anyone who was hired prior to that date. Tier 2 ended in 1976. There are very few people left in the state workforce who are in Tier 1 or Tier 2 – there’s less than 4 percent of the total workforce within those two tiers.

The main difference between Tiers 1 and 2 and the later tiers is that prior to those times employees did not have to pay anything out of their own salary into the pension plan. The cost was covered by the employer. That changed with the creation of Tier 3 in 1976. Since that time, employees who are hired are required to pay 3 percent of their salary into the pension plan. That’s true of the Tiers 3, 4 and 5.

There are some other differences in the benefits, the primary being that in Tier 1 you could retire at age 55 with a full pension. Later tiers you have to work until you’re 62, and if you retire before age 62 your pension is significantly reduced. The big difference in the plan that was adopted two years ago, Tier 5, is that prior to that time employees paid into the pension plans for the first 10 years they were working. That has now changed so that under Tier 5, people who are hired pay 3 percent into the pension funds all of their careers.

 

You mentioned that only about 4 percent of the workforce is in tiers 1 or 2. How does it break down for the other tiers?

For the state retirement system, roughly 91 percent are in tiers 3 and 4. About 5 percent are in Tier 5. The reason why there’s that small number in Tier 5 is that it only began two years ago.

A lot of people don’t understand the real nature of these pension benefits because attention tends to get focused on the small number of cases where someone’s getting a big pension. The average pension in the state retirement fund is $19, 151 per year, and 76 percent of the pensions are less than $30,000.

 

Gov. Cuomo is pushing for a Tier 6 to be created for new state employees. How would the deal for Tier 6 differ from previous tiers?

The governor’s plan changes the benefit structure in a number of ways, and when you add them all together what they amount to is that over the lifetime of a worker their pension benefit will be reduced by about 40 percent from Tier 5.

It accomplishes that in part by requiring you to work longer; you wouldn’t be able to collect your pension until you’re 65. The formula of how much you would get for each year of service is also reduced. The other big change the Governor is proposing is to significantly increase the amount that employees have to pay into the pension plan. Instead of paying 3 percent of your salary, you would pay 4 or 5 or 6 percent. For the majority of our members, they would be required to pay 6 percent of their salary. They would be doubling the amount they’re required to pay in.

 

Once you’re in a certain tier, is your pension set in stone?

The plan can’t change. Once you’re in particular tier, you’re guaranteed that the benefit structure will stay for that tier. More than 40 years ago, the courts ruled that it is unconstitutional to reduce an employee’s pension benefit after they’ve been hired under a particular pension plan. This is under the New York State Constitution.

 

What about the increasing costs from pensions faced by New York State?

The current discussion about the proposed Tier 6 and about the pension system overall is driven largely by the fact that the costs to the employer, that is to say state and local governments, have been going up significantly in the last few years. That’s a legitimate concern.

The thing that’s important for everyone to understand is that cost has not gone up because the benefits went up. The reason why the employer costs are going up is because 83 percent of the benefits coming out of the state pension system are paid not by the taxpayer or by employees putting money in; they’re paid by the pension fund investing those moneys and making a return on the investment by investing in stocks and bonds. When the stock market crashed in 2008, the pension fund like all investors experienced significant losses.

People who are advocating for Tier 6 are trying to lead people to believe that the current cost increases will go on forever. The Governor uses the term “unsustainable” to say these cost increases can’t keep going up because it will bankrupt everyone. That might be true if the cost increases were going to go on forever, but they are not. The actuaries for the state pension system, the New York City pension system, the teachers retirement system all say the same thing – these costs will peak out and decline as the economy stabilizes.

 

Date Posted March 7, 2012 By Sasha Chavkin

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Public unions are useless to the taxpayers.

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I think that's the issue, the projections. From the letter I got it said the overestimated state aid and underestimated benefit increases.

 

The letter also stated the school used well over $5 million dollars of reserve funds and fund balance to plug the hole of lost state aid to the point that there is no reserves left. Once you do that, it gets ugly quick. Most other schools made big cuts two and three years ago. I don't think ME did, bad choice and now they have to do it period.

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I believe I may have just solved the Maine Endwell School Districts fiscal woes.

 

 

State Class B football champion Maine-Endwell is New York's representative to become the USA Today High School Sports People's Champion and win $500 for its athletic department. First-round voting runs until 3 p.m. Thursday