Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Get rid of collective bargaining and you encourage the acceleration of the Plutocracy. At least the rich pay for their own retirement and health care costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 At least the rich pay for their own retirement and health care costs. On the backs of the middle class who can't afford to. Wake up before it's too late. Stop defending the death of your socioeconomic class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Get rid of collective bargaining and you encourage the acceleration of the Plutocracy. So does that mean FDR wanted a plutocracy? He was against collective bargaining in the public sector. He knew what is happening now would happen if the public sector unionized and had access to the public checkbook. We're not supposed to be taxed without representation and that's exactly what is happening. Taxation without representation. You may have heard that phrase before, and then again, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 So does that mean FDR wanted a plutocracy? He was against collective bargaining in the public sector. He knew what is happening now would happen if the public sector unionized and had access to the public checkbook. We're not supposed to be taxed without representation and that's exactly what is happening. Taxation without representation. You may have heard that phrase before, and then again, maybe not. To funny he does not know what a plutocracy is or anything about FDR's programs. Tom is such a woodchuck LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 To funny he does not know what a plutocracy is or anything about FDR's programs. Tom is such a woodchuck LOL Hey Woodchuck Boy: Punctuation is your friend. DHUUUUUURRRRRRR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hey Woodchuck Boy: Punctuation is your friend. DHUUUUUURRRRRRR! Tom is that all you have? Try to stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest golfdog Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Just a question...if all these cuts to govt jobs do occur and let's say 1000 jobs are eliminated in Broome county. Who the hell is going to buy the goods and services that the businesses are crying about high taxes are trying to sell? People that lose jobs and have no jobs to go to will eventually leave this God forsaken area, house prices will drop and business revenues will drop. This whole concepts does not make a lot of sense to me. I am a small business owner, about 35% of my business is from government workers, it will hurt my bottom line more to see them lose there jobs than it will save my property tax bill...think about this before you open your mouths for the "huge" savings you will get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Tom is that all you have? Try to stay on topic. First of all, I'm not Tom so you're wrong again. Secondly, when it comes to Woodchuck Boy, thats all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 First of all, I'm not Tom so you're wrong again. Secondly, when it comes to Woodchuck Boy, thats all you need. You lost me so good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 You lost me so good bye. I really wasn't looking for you. So goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Just a question...if all these cuts to govt jobs do occur and let's say 1000 jobs are eliminated in Broome county. Who the hell is going to buy the goods and services that the businesses are crying about high taxes are trying to sell? People that lose jobs and have no jobs to go to will eventually leave this God forsaken area, house prices will drop and business revenues will drop. This whole concepts does not make a lot of sense to me. I am a small business owner, about 35% of my business is from government workers, it will hurt my bottom line more to see them lose there jobs than it will save my property tax bill...think about this before you open your mouths for the "huge" savings you will get. Just donate more in taxes to keep their jobs funded. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom Posted February 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Just a question...if all these cuts to govt jobs do occur and let's say 1000 jobs are eliminated in Broome county. Who the hell is going to buy the goods and services that the businesses are crying about high taxes are trying to sell? People that lose jobs and have no jobs to go to will eventually leave this God forsaken area, house prices will drop and business revenues will drop. This whole concepts does not make a lot of sense to me. I am a small business owner, about 35% of my business is from government workers, it will hurt my bottom line more to see them lose there jobs than it will save my property tax bill...think about this before you open your mouths for the "huge" savings you will get. This thread has to do with the teachers unions, not the government unions. Government unions aren't as much of the problem as government itself is. It's too big. The city has lost well over 40,000 working people in the last 50 years and many were replaced by welfare from NYC.......yet our government keeps growing. And working people are still leaving. That's why your taxes are so high, but you knew that. Hard to believe a third of your business comes from about 5% of the population, unless you have a restaurant downtown or you are Ron Sall. Either way, I highly doubt they will eliminate 1000 jobs. But there has to be changes made to give back some to the taxpayers. Lower taxes will attract business and jobs. They must. We already know what high taxes does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hey Woodchuck Boy: Punctuation is your friend. DHUUUUUURRRRRRR! And he doesn't know the difference between two, to, and too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 And he doesn't know the difference between two, to, and too. Please explain, Oh educated one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest too Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 too /tu/ Show Spelled[too] Show IPA –adverb 1. in addition; also; furthermore; moreover: young, clever, and rich too. 2. to an excessive extent or degree; beyond what is desirable, fitting, or right: too sick to travel. 3. more, as specified, than should be: too near the fire. 4. (used as an affirmative to contradict a negative statement): I am too! 5. extremely; very: She wasn't too pleased with his behavior. —Idiom 6. only too. only ( def. 10 ) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Union Democrat "Fleebaggers" temper tantrum. Boo-hoo, we want your money and we want it now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0VProvuAo Pres. Obama Dives Back Into Wisconsin, Says Public Employees Being 'Vilified' Gee I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 First of all, school boards made up of non paid members elected from the community make the school decisions. They are probably the most democratic aspect of our government. They meet monthly in open meetings. Whenever you don't like the decisions of your elected you yell "taxation without representation" as if it has any meaning in this context. Collective bargaining is not corrupt. Two sides exchange proposals until they come to an agreement, often one that neither side is entirely happy with. You may not like the results, but it is not corrupt. Union thugs, really. Your third grade teacher a union thug. I can see him at the board, about 250 lbs, needs a shave, cig hanging from the corner of his mouth, in a dark suit with a fedora, using his gat to point out arithmetic errors. All of the corruption in the US comes from teacher's unions, that's only slightly less valid than saying that teachers are the cause of all the problems the states are currently having. An honest discussion about public foregoing pay increases during a time of crisis is a good one. That is as long as we can see that everybody else is doing the same thing, perhaps starting at the top. The problem is that the Republicans have just about wet themselves in excitement over the prospect of using the budget process to drive unions out of business. They are doing the same thing with the federal budget. In the guise of budget cutting they are defunding things such as PBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 First of all, school boards made up of non paid members elected from the community make the school decisions. They are probably the most democratic aspect of our government. They meet monthly in open meetings. Whenever you don't like the decisions of your elected you yell "taxation without representation" as if it has any meaning in this context. Collective bargaining is not corrupt. Two sides exchange proposals until they come to an agreement, often one that neither side is entirely happy with. You may not like the results, but it is not corrupt. Union thugs, really. Your third grade teacher a union thug. I can see him at the board, about 250 lbs, needs a shave, cig hanging from the corner of his mouth, in a dark suit with a fedora, using his gat to point out arithmetic errors. All of the corruption in the US comes from teacher's unions, that's only slightly less valid than saying that teachers are the cause of all the problems the states are currently having."First of all, school boards made up of non paid members elected from the community make the school decisions. They are probably the most democratic aspect of our government." Exactly what type of person do you think runs for a position such as this? Check the background of you local school board. Most school boards are made up of people that are ex teachers or someone that has their feelings at heart.It's very rare that you see a school board that tries to actually talk down a pay raise for a teachers union. You always hope that they have both the children and the taxpayer at heart but usually they are aligned with the teachers at least partially. It's not like industry where management is against the union. An honest discussion about public foregoing pay increases during a time of crisis is a good one. That is as long as we can see that everybody else is doing the same thing, perhaps starting at the top. The problem is that the Republicans have just about wet themselves in excitement over the prospect of using the budget process to drive unions out of business. They are doing the same thing with the federal budget. In the guise of budget cutting they are defunding things such as PBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4unoit Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 First of all, school boards made up of non paid members elected from the community make the school decisions. They are probably the most democratic aspect of our government. They meet monthly in open meetings. Whenever you don't like the decisions of your elected you yell "taxation without representation" as if it has any meaning in this context. Collective bargaining is not corrupt. Two sides exchange proposals until they come to an agreement, often one that neither side is entirely happy with. You may not like the results, but it is not corrupt. Union thugs, really. Your third grade teacher a union thug. I can see him at the board, about 250 lbs, needs a shave, cig hanging from the corner of his mouth, in a dark suit with a fedora, using his gat to point out arithmetic errors. All of the corruption in the US comes from teacher's unions, that's only slightly less valid than saying that teachers are the cause of all the problems the states are currently having. An honest discussion about public foregoing pay increases during a time of crisis is a good one. That is as long as we can see that everybody else is doing the same thing, perhaps starting at the top. The problem is that the Republicans have just about wet themselves in excitement over the prospect of using the budget process to drive unions out of business. They are doing the same thing with the federal budget. In the guise of budget cutting they are defunding things such as PBS. Yea and then we have those impartial Dems that don't have a dog in the fight only doing the work of the people. YEA RIGHT!!! And we have to hear the far left loons come here and scream about the Gov being bought by the Koch Brothers. Of the 14 missing lawmakers, none has received a greater share of his campaign donations from public unions and employees than Spencer Coggs of Milwaukee. Since January 2007, about two-thirds of his campaign donations came from those in the public sector. In addition to winning an easy re-election bid, he was defeated in the September Democratic primary for lieutenant governor. You would think that one of these senators receiving almost two-thirds of his campaign cash the past four years from unions and public employees would be big news, right? Think again, for according to LexisNexis, the only report on this is the one above. Contrast that to Walker whose connection to the Koch brothers has garnered almost 500 reports in the past two weeks including 20 by MSNBC, fifteen by CNN, three by NPR, two by NBC, and one by CBS. This despite the Governor having received only $43,000 from the Kochs - less than half what Coggs got from unions and public employees! - which represented a mere one half of one percent of the over $9 million Walker raised. Yep - a one half of one percent contribution from a couple of billionaires garnered almost 500 media reports, but Coggs getting two-thirds of his money from public employees and unions mattered not to America's media. And these people believe they're impartial purveyors of information. Makes you sick, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Yea and then we have those impartial Dems that don't have a dog in the fight only doing the work of the people. YEA RIGHT!!! And we have to hear the far left loons come here and scream about the Gov being bought by the Koch Brothers. Of the 14 missing lawmakers, none has received a greater share of his campaign donations from public unions and employees than Spencer Coggs of Milwaukee. Since January 2007, about two-thirds of his campaign donations came from those in the public sector. In addition to winning an easy re-election bid, he was defeated in the September Democratic primary for lieutenant governor. You would think that one of these senators receiving almost two-thirds of his campaign cash the past four years from unions and public employees would be big news, right? Think again, for according to LexisNexis, the only report on this is the one above. Contrast that to Walker whose connection to the Koch brothers has garnered almost 500 reports in the past two weeks including 20 by MSNBC, fifteen by CNN, three by NPR, two by NBC, and one by CBS. This despite the Governor having received only $43,000 from the Kochs - less than half what Coggs got from unions and public employees! - which represented a mere one half of one percent of the over $9 million Walker raised. Yep - a one half of one percent contribution from a couple of billionaires garnered almost 500 media reports, but Coggs getting two-thirds of his money from public employees and unions mattered not to America's media. And these people believe they're impartial purveyors of information. Makes you sick, doesn't it? keep rooting for the demise of the middle class simpleton woodchuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 22 Statistics That Prove The Middle Class Is Being Systematically Wiped Out Of Existence In America Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/22-statistics-that-prove-the-middle-class-is-being-systematically-wiped-out-of-existence-in-america-2010-7#83-percent-of-all-us-stocks-are-in-the-hands-of-1-percent-of-the-people-1#ixzz1FJaKZ4i8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 First of all, it isn't news that Democratic politicians get campaign contributions from unions. Second, the Koch brothers are big news as their role in financing organizations furthering the John Birch Society ideas of their father. Third, remembering that this is for two campaign cycles, only two democrats received more than 43K. You cite percentages 43K is so little of the millions funneled to Walker opposed to the paltry sums spent by the Democratic state officials. Do you expect us to believe that the only money the Koch brothers gave was direct and not through their front organizations such as the Republican Governor's Association and Americans for Prosperity. The details are here http://www.truth-out.org/scott-walker-runs-koch-money67916 Rupert Murdock also gave a million dollars to the RGC, what were you saying about the media? An the neat thing is the Republicans have the middle class fighting each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 First of all, it isn't news that Democratic politicians get campaign contributions from unions. Second, the Koch brothers are big news as their role in financing organizations furthering the John Birch Society ideas of their father. Third, remembering that this is for two campaign cycles, only two democrats received more than 43K. You cite percentages 43K is so little of the millions funneled to Walker opposed to the paltry sums spent by the Democratic state officials. Do you expect us to believe that the only money the Koch brothers gave was direct and not through their front organizations such as the Republican Governor's Association and Americans for Prosperity. The details are here http://www.truth-out.org/scott-walker-runs-koch-money67916 Rupert Murdock also gave a million dollars to the RGC, what were you saying about the media? An the neat thing is the Republicans have the middle class fighting each other. Funny thing is that you never mentioned George Soros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 The class warfare racial divide old vs young demoncrats are all about unity, as long as that's the unity of your union dues funding their campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 The class warfare racial divide old vs young demoncrats are all about unity, as long as that's the unity of your union dues funding their campaigns. Obama the great uniter and post racial president. What a laugh! hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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