Bee Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Thanks for posting the Occupy Binghamton information.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Who are they? Those morons protesting on Wall St.? I don't think they represent anyone but themselves. They can't cut it and want to kick and scream how it is someone elses fault. Take the idiot who is complaining about his college loan debt and how anyone with college loan debt should be down there. Go to a school you can afford dummy! Have you priced ANY school lately? BCC is $1,847 a semester. Before books. That's $8,000 for a 2 year degree. And that's a bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah, we would much rather listen to you whiney crybabies who just don't have what it takes to become successful. Yeah! If you don't like it, move to China and India where the corporations sent the jobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Have you priced ANY school lately? BCC is $1,847 a semester. Before books. That's $8,000 for a 2 year degree. And that's a bargain! It is a great bargain and incredibly affordable. What is the problem?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Agreed. Get government out of the way and the economy will be booming! except in the points in history where government help expand and evolve america with great middle class jobs, you know the points when america was "Booming!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svRa-VSaOU&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 It is a great bargain and incredibly affordable. What is the problem?? well i dont know what his problem may be, but A problem is no jobs being created at all so families who have college age students are so poor they cant afford to send them to bcc. so if the rich people don't want to pay more in taxes so the govt can give out "free rides" as some put it ,and the rich dont want to create any jobs because of "uncertainty" and they dont want to pay more in taxes to create jobs either, because thats a "handout". so with that said how exactly are we suppose to take advantage of this 2 yr degree 8000$ uh.."bargain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Work harder. You will also do better in school if you have to work hard to get there and pay for it yourself. If you can't put together that amount over 2 years with the available grants, then there is something else going on there or you don't really want to go to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_ft_putt Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Have you priced ANY school lately? BCC is $1,847 a semester. Before books. That's $8,000 for a 2 year degree. And that's a bargain! Yes...and if you work hard and get a degree in a marketable field say...engineering tech, accounting , business management or nursing you will make far more than minimum wage starting out of school Your return on investment should be in a matter of a few years. However, if you choose to major in sociology, english or art history, or if you are just a slacker who coasted through your college years partying, you will be working in dead end, minimum wage jobs. If you're not willing to invest that paltry sum for the betterment of your future well being....then you have alot of balls to expect anybody else to. If college is not your cup of tea, then it is your responsibility to go to a trade school and learn the appropriate job skills. The opportunities are out there. The world is competative and technology and global competition have eliminated many of the good paying, low skill jobs. That is the fact, and no matter how much you cry and protest it will not change. So you have to deal with the current climate and plan accordingly. I'll admit...it is tough out there finding a good job, but the jobs are out there if you work hard, have the appropriate skills and are motivated. It is not like days past, where mediocre performers could fall into a well paying job. It is competative out there. If you are unwilling to do what it takes to make yourself competative, then shut up, quit whining and blaming everybody else for your problems. A little persepctive is always helpful. Our forefathers crossed continents, placing their selves and families in harms way for just the opportunity to better their life. No body promised them riches...just the opportunity to better themselves. My grandparents lived through the great depression and fought in WWII. THeir futures were similarly uncertain, yet they sacrificed much, and just trudged on. From the Babyboomers on...each generation has become softer and more wussified then the next. We've had it far too easy for so long, that many people expect riches just to be thrust on them....and not having to earn them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yes...and if you work hard and get a degree in a marketable field say...engineering tech, accounting , business management or nursing you will make far more than minimum wage starting out of school Your return on investment should be in a matter of a few years. However, if you choose to major in sociology, english or art history, or if you are just a slacker who coasted through your college years partying, you will be working in dead end, minimum wage jobs. If you're not willing to invest that paltry sum for the betterment of your future well being....then you have alot of balls to expect anybody else to. ... From the Babyboomers on...each generation has become softer and more wussified then the next. We've had it far too easy for so long, that many people expect riches just to be thrust on them....and not having to earn them. Many of the things you say are correct, but here is the difference from previous years; we can't all be engineers, accountants, or managers. No amount of work ethic and drive is enough when there aren't enough of these jobs to go around. If everyone took your advice, and went to school for these jobs, the competition would drive the wages down for all of us. Our economy was set up in the time where a man who could work hard could always find someting that would pay the bills, now that many of those jobs have been replaced by automation or overseas cheap labor. We have college educated people taking jobs teenagers used to do, and many of these jobs don't have benefits. This is a much different country than you romanticize about. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 There are still people getting jobs, moving up in their employment, starting thier own business', coming up with new ideas, etc. every day. What is the difference between them and the people on here DEMANDING more and more assistance with life? These aren't rich people. They are just regular Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Many of the things you say are correct, but here is the difference from previous years; we can't all be engineers, accountants, or managers. No amount of work ethic and drive is enough when there aren't enough of these jobs to go around. If everyone took your advice, and went to school for these jobs, the competition would drive the wages down for all of us. Our economy was set up in the time where a man who could work hard could always find someting that would pay the bills, now that many of those jobs have been replaced by automation or overseas cheap labor. We have college educated people taking jobs teenagers used to do, and many of these jobs don't have benefits. This is a much different country than you romanticize about. @ College educated in WHAT? 15th century English Literature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized http://www.heritage....trade-agreement Thanks again, Ronnie. Who signed it into law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Who signed it into law? Bill Clinton. The democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 College educated in WHAT? 15th century English Literature? Yeah, Liberal Arts majors are the only ones underemployed right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redumblican Teabagger Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Bill Clinton. The democrat. Bill Clinton is responsible for everything bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Bill Clinton is responsible for everything bad! And you prove what a dunce you are, yet again. Good Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Aren't they all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 welfare for corporations is perfectly acceptable to you people though. taxes are lower then they have ever been in a lot of cases and you rich DELETED you "Job Creators" give us some crappy DELETED 6 ,7, 8 dollar an hour job then use all the loopholes created by Reaganomics (yea thanks for that) to avoid paying any taxes. then you take a govt tax cut to ease the pain, and pay bonuses in excess of 100's of thousands of dollars. Then when things go bad, you continue to ship jobs over seas and avoid any tax increases. and when its all said and done you tell the poor to stop whining stop being socialist to work hard and build something...and that's a great idea Mr Millionaire, thanks for that. But just one question, if all us poor people rise up and open up business like most millionaires and run it like most millionaires... who then will clean the floors and take the calls and package the goods and pave, plow the roads, teach our kids, protect our homes, take our orders, pack our groceries? these people need fair wages people because they exist and no matter what you think their all not going to open small business and become wealthy. illegal immigrants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_ft_putt Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Many of the things you say are correct, but here is the difference from previous years; we can't all be engineers, accountants, or managers. No amount of work ethic and drive is enough when there aren't enough of these jobs to go around. If everyone took your advice, and went to school for these jobs, the competition would drive the wages down for all of us. Our economy was set up in the time where a man who could work hard could always find someting that would pay the bills, now that many of those jobs have been replaced by automation or overseas cheap labor. We have college educated people taking jobs teenagers used to do, and many of these jobs don't have benefits. This is a much different country than you romanticize about. @ No...I am not romanticizing. There are job skills in demand in the private sector. Unfortunately, college curriculums have been dumbed down with useless, esoteric studies and far too many students throw themselves at these easy "A"s. They leave school with a diploma, student debt and few if any marketable skills and even fewer critical thinking skills. They equate being able to Google something with actually understanding and knowing a subject matter. As I stated in my initial post, cheap offshore labor and automation has greatly reduced the need for unskilled labor. But this same automation equipment has created demand for skilled mechanics, engineers, technicians and programmers to service and maintain the automation equipment that is so pervasive across all industries. With that said, there are still many jobs in engineering, IT, computer science, business management, logistics, statistics, lean manufacturing principles, energy, health care just to name a few. Your assumption that if everybody went into these jobs, then wages would be supressed would be true if you're talking about a static system, however economies grow and new demand and opportunities are constantly being generated. YOu may not be able to find the job in the career you want in the Binghamton area, and moving may be required. So move. Throughout human history, there has always been mass movements of people to areas where better opportunities exist, whether it be the native americans moving to find the bison, or college students moving to new areas to persue careers. Or don't move and suffer at being underemployed. The economy, starting in the late 20th century went through a paradigm shift. Historically, these events always deeply impact those that refuse to accept the change and adapt to the reality. The emergence of the steam engine and the internal combustion engines I in no way am trying to minimize the difficulty in change and adaptation. It requires making alot of difficult decisions and taking risks. I speak from experience, I have lost two jobs due to the digital revolution obsoleting the companies I worked for. My career has evolved over the last 15 years, due to my actively aquiring new job skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_ft_putt Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I am often amazed at how much my parents were able to do with so little. Both of my parents were blue collar types who scrimpped and saved their entire lives. Money was always tight, and some years we didn't take vacations. Our cars were always old, and my sister and I rarely had designer label clothes. My parents often did without to provide more for my sister and I. In spite of it all, we were happy as a family and I look fondly on my childhood. Yet throughout my parents life they were able to buy a nice modest home, put their two kids through college and retire with a comfortable lifestyle. Is it more difficult today than it was in yesteryear? On the surface I would say no. No doubt that we face a different set of challenges, but I think its human nature to always think that the hear and now is always worse than other times. The challenges that earlier generations were no less challenging to them. THe difference that I see is that the current generations are impatient and not as tough and steeled as our ancestors. They didn't have the luxury to sit and whine and opine about the current state when things are bad. Gone are the days when people would work and save for a "luxury" item. Now it's throw it on your credit card and worry about it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Ahh, the good old days... I'm tired of hearing about how materialistic and impatient we are these days. Where do you think this comes from? Our economy is built on having a new car every 4 years, and having the latest gadgets, no matter what the cost. What's left of this economy would die if we didn't keep buying. Why do you think they come up with Consumer Confidence Indexes and related surveys to gage our economy? You think we came up with this ourselves as consumers? We're a society based around the television, and then you wonder why we lust for consumer goods and the lifestyle that has been portrayed to us by beautiful people on the small screen for the last 50 years. And then God-forbid you shun this lifestyle, because then you are some kind of COMMIE HIPPIE! When the President tells you to do your American duty and "keep shopping", how can you be mad when we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Still sounds to me like you are making a personal choice to be the consumer you think they want you to be. Stop buying! It is the law of supply and demand. If people had a little self control the demand would fall, leading to cheaper products, THAT MORE PEOPLE COULD AFFORD. With more consumers, the corporations would make just as much money. So it comes back to the gluttonous consumption of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 70% of our economy is based on consumer spending. Cutting off our nose to spite our face could have disastrous consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 No...I am not romanticizing. There are job skills in demand in the private sector. Unfortunately, college curriculums have been dumbed down with useless, esoteric studies and far too many students throw themselves at these easy "A"s. They leave school with a diploma, student debt and few if any marketable skills and even fewer critical thinking skills. They equate being able to Google something with actually understanding and knowing a subject matter. As I stated in my initial post, cheap offshore labor and automation has greatly reduced the need for unskilled labor. But this same automation equipment has created demand for skilled mechanics, engineers, technicians and programmers to service and maintain the automation equipment that is so pervasive across all industries. With that said, there are still many jobs in engineering, IT, computer science, business management, logistics, statistics, lean manufacturing principles, energy, health care just to name a few. Your assumption that if everybody went into these jobs, then wages would be supressed would be true if you're talking about a static system, however economies grow and new demand and opportunities are constantly being generated. YOu may not be able to find the job in the career you want in the Binghamton area, and moving may be required. So move. Throughout human history, there has always been mass movements of people to areas where better opportunities exist, whether it be the native americans moving to find the bison, or college students moving to new areas to persue careers. Or don't move and suffer at being underemployed. The economy, starting in the late 20th century went through a paradigm shift. Historically, these events always deeply impact those that refuse to accept the change and adapt to the reality. The emergence of the steam engine and the internal combustion engines I in no way am trying to minimize the difficulty in change and adaptation. It requires making alot of difficult decisions and taking risks. I speak from experience, I have lost two jobs due to the digital revolution obsoleting the companies I worked for. My career has evolved over the last 15 years, due to my actively aquiring new job skills. Do you mean engineering jobs such as in the G.E. X-ray unit that is being relocated to China? Or perhaps those jobs in the health field like X-ray techs that are being outsourced to India and the Phillipines? Statisics, insurance underwriting being outsourced too. This is not a quest for higher skills, but an ongoing chase for the cheapest labor. And it is not a new 21st century phenomena, Britain practiced it in the 19th century and had it's economic clock cleaned by the "American System". And you should understand best, R&D follows manufacturing. As those factories move abroad, so do the engineering and technical positions also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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