BlackSven Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Yes, BlackSven, I do know what it means. So what? Tell me, in your own words, what does the adj. gross income of anyone have to do with this debate? This is after one's deductions. And, yes, I did read your post. It's from December 1st. Let me educate you... What this article states is that the Bush administration ignored warnings of the collapse YEARS before the collapse. Fine, he's partially to blame. But, are you indicating that the Bush administration didn't bail out the banks? They did, once the economy collapse. And, the bailout made absolutely nothing better. What is your argument? To quote you - "anyone making over $250,000, the ones that pay over 40% of the taxes" @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dick Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 To quote you - "anyone making over $250,000, the ones that pay over 40% of the taxes" @ Yes. What is your point? The top 5% are still paying most of the income taxes in this country. It's probably closer to 60%. What is your point? I still hold to mine that they're getting the screws, they're capital gains taxes are sleighted to increase, and they're not investing as a result. What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Yes. What is your point? The top 5% are still paying most of the income taxes in this country. It's probably closer to 60%. What is your point? I still hold to mine that they're getting the screws, they're capital gains taxes are sleighted to increase, and they're not investing as a result. What is your point? My point is you were pulling figures out of your DELETED . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dick Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 My point is you were pulling figures out of your DELETED. LOL...I love it. No, DELETED, read the date you moron. Those data are from 2006. Things have changed. Why don't you tell me a little more. This can actually be REALLY entertaining, seeing that you back away from a political debate with me nearly every night now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSven Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 If you weren't so scattered, and a bit more informed I might be able to. Have a nice night! @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dick Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 If you weren't so scattered, and a bit more informed I might be able to. Have a nice night! Good night Sven. Let me know when you're up for a little more education. I don't think anyone reading this would think my argument is scattered. I do think that they would see your ignorance and unwillingness to engage in a discussion with a well-educated local professional who clearly has forgotton more than you have learned...in this lifetime anyway. Good night. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4unoit Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Take a look for yourself who pays what. And let me clue you in it has increased in the last 3 years for the upper end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Here is a quote from todays Wall Street Journal, who I think know more about the economic problems we are in than any poster here, certainly more than Pres. Obama. The article is entitled "the Obama Economy" March 3rd. "What has happened in the last two months? The economy has received no great new outside shock. Exchange rates and other prices have been stable, and there are no security crisis of note. The reality of a sharp recession has been known...since last year's fourth quarter. What is new is the unveiling of Mr Obama's agenda and his approach to governance...one negative revelation has been the way he has chosen to spend his resources on income transfers rather than promote growth. Most of his "stimulus" spending was devoted to social programs rather than public works, and nearly all of his tax cuts were devoted to income maintainence rather than to improving INCENTIVES TO WORK OR INVEST...Listening to Mr Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel we couldn't help but wonder if they appreciate any of this." Promote growth....like the growth in CEO bonuses and income, even when they failed miserably? That is the only thing growing. Everything for Middle-Class Americans is nose-diving. Companies can fail under their leadership, and the only ones who suffer are us, while taxpayers pay up and stockholders lose 50% of their equity. The CEOs fly around on corporate jets to vacation destinations for "meetings", and plead poverty. Who do you think is really getting screwed here? Give them millions in bailout money, and they have a vacation retreat......this is complete BS, and YOU know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Good night Sven. Let me know when you're up for a little more education. I don't think anyone reading this would think my argument is scattered. I do think that they would see your ignorance and unwillingness to engage in a discussion with a well-educated local professional who clearly has forgotton more than you have learned...in this lifetime anyway. Good night. @ I think he ran away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Ya'll can argue all you want; but, ya'll better start stocking up on whiskey, ammo and guns. The coming storm in America is goin' to make Katrina look like a walk in the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Sable Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Ya'll can argue all you want; but, ya'll better start stocking up on whiskey, ammo and guns. The coming storm in America is goin' to make Katrina look like a walk in the park. Yup....coming right up I'm vewy, vewy scawed...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4unoit Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Ya'll can argue all you want; but, ya'll better start stocking up on whiskey, ammo and guns. The coming storm in America is goin' to make Katrina look like a walk in the park. Hunter get yourself some rest gonna be a long battle. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Ya'll can argue all you want; but, ya'll better start stocking up on whiskey, ammo and guns. The coming storm in America is goin' to make Katrina look like a walk in the park. You're right!! It's not as if people weren't warned about Obama's left wing, socialistic desires. Things were getting really bad and it was easy to point fingers. George Bush became a huge target. Obama talks and talks and talks and he does that well. The problem is, he has no experience, no skills except the rhetoric we know so well. He never told us what he would actually do because he had NO idea. The fact that his promises were not possible to keep never seemed to matter to many. Obama was the MOST LIBERAL,LEFT WING member of Congress. That is not my opinion but his voting record. Biden was #3. These people are arguably socialists until proven otherwise. Everything Obama has done so far only makes the case. Someone should give these people a shovel along with Pelosi,Reid and the rest. They have been shoveling it for so long they surely will appreciate the gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just to correct a point made above, Adjusted Gross Income is BEFORE deductions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Excellent link explaining and supporting why the liberal socialist agenda of the Democrats you liberals elected & support are causing the DOW to tank. You liberals must be proud. You've given our country exactly what you wanted - CHANGE! (link) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocco Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Excellent link explaining and supporting why the liberal socialist agenda of the Democrats you liberals elected & support are causing the DOW to tank. You liberals must be proud. You've given our country exactly what you wanted - CHANGE! (link) Just out of curiosity... why do you care that the dow is going down, you dont own any stock @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4unoit Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just out of curiosity... why do you care that the dow is going down, you dont own any stock @ Pretty arrogant of you to think you know that rocco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 The left is about to be taught a lesson in the are of job creation: Socialist slugs on government cheese don’t hire people. Investors do, and buisnessmen do, when they can afford to, or when there is a reason to. There is no argument about the economy at all, Obama is killing it. He is implementing Marxism, snuffing out charities, and sacking the wealth of the nation REGARDLESS of the obviously disastrous effect on the economy. He thinks the way of the RED STAR is the true path, and like Mao and Stalin before him, he does not give one good DELETED whether the people starve in the meantime. Great Leap Forward indeed, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Just out of curiosity... why do you care that the dow is going down, you dont own any stock Rocco, Rocco. Rocco, You disappoint me! Many of your responses are thoughtful, intelligent, sometimes factual but often warped interpretations of current issues. You damage your reputation & credibility immensely with comments like this. You know nothing about me. To presume is foolish. You're much better when you debate your points with facts. By the way, I will conceded that the market was up today. But I won't concede that Obama, Reid or Pelosi played any part in it. Facts are that the market got some good news in that it appears that the Chinese economy is up and could be purchasing American made heavy equipment. As a result, Caterpillar stock was up and the market liked this small piece of good news. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Firefighter Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 A Revolution is coming in this country. Obama is out to destroy the USA. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Obama recently said "the days of giving government contractors a blank check are over". Too bad the days of giving our government a blank check has just begun. Is he that great of a speaker that he can continue to say one thing and do another? I can't believe we have sold out to this far left regime. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xySAXuCWnUQ...s.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The left is about to be taught a lesson in the are of job creation: Socialist slugs on government cheese don’t hire people. Investors do, and buisnessmen do, when they can afford to, or when there is a reason to. There is no argument about the economy at all, Obama is killing it. He is implementing Marxism, snuffing out charities, and sacking the wealth of the nation REGARDLESS of the obviously disastrous effect on the economy. He thinks the way of the RED STAR is the true path, and like Mao and Stalin before him, he does not give one good DELETED whether the people starve in the meantime. Great Leap Forward indeed, heh. Socialist slugs on government cheese don’t hire people. Sure they do.Jesse Jackson just hired a guy that Clinton pardoned. Here's a clipping Jesse Jackson has added former Chicago Democrat Congressman Mel Reynolds to Rainbow/PUSH Coalition's payroll. Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute forgiveness spree. Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud, and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He is more notorious, however, for concurrently serving five years for sleeping with an underage campaign volunteer. This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate...won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate...then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thursday, 3/5/09, 12 PM The DOW is now down another 214 points more than erasing yesterday's slight gains. When, when, when will the Obama Reid Pelosi consortium realize their actions over the last month are destroying our economy?? When will they realize that socialist, big government, high tax, entitlement and port laden anti-capitalism programs are the solutions to our problems. Socialism does not work, never has, and never will. Please! Somebody rescue us from this disastrous direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Poster Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thursday, 3/5/09, 12 PM The DOW is now down another 214 points more than erasing yesterday's slight gains. When, when, when will the Obama Reid Pelosi consortium realize their actions over the last month are destroying our economy?? When will they realize that socialist, big government, high tax, entitlement and port laden anti-capitalism programs are the solutions to our problems. Socialism does not work, never has, and never will. Please! Somebody rescue us from this disastrous direction. I completely understand that they can't lead by following polls and I do give Obama credit for saying what he wanted to do during the campaign and sticking to it for the most part. It's just sad that people weren't listening. However, it doesn't take much to realize they're doing something terribly wrong here, the non-partisan GBO says that the plan is flawed and may hurt us in the long run, the stock market absolutely hates it, consumer confidence is way down and I've yet to see a solid argument as to how Obama's policies are going to help the economic mess we're currently in. @ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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